Exactly right... hence my comment on the current establishment. There are a few fantastic guys up there, but other than that there needs to be a royal flush.

Unspin it then, because what he said is not only his perception. Why on earth would DALPA not want DCI flying in house, it baffles us (the unwashed) all.

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I get the logic in your numbers, but I'm only getting the "why/how we can't capture that flying". But what I'm looking for is the outside-the box thinking that tells me how we can ensure more (much more) of the flying is done by pilots on our list. I'm open to a range of options that would not concede the low-end of the gauge. Do you also think in those terms, and how would you move small-gauge scope forward in a future contract?

What was I spinning? Yours an alphas posts illustrate exactly what is wrong with the current administration.

I've got friends up at national and they are just as displeased with the way the Moak generation runs things as many of us are here.

Please reread the opener on Section 1, a portion posted here:

Improve protections for domestic and international codeshare

Add new language to restrict the use of permitted and non-permitted aircraft within holding companies

You do realize what you quoted is so vague that it has virtually no substance, right?

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

I'm all for a better way to run things. Show me one and convince me that it works. I'll be with you, and won't even throw rocks from the sidelines. Otherwise, I'll stick with the plan that has put more money in pilot pockets.

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Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?

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I don't think that is going to change until the current generation of MEC committee people has moved on (or been forced on).

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The usual arrogant "I'm smarter than you and you can't understand it" attitude that is brought forth from our resident ALPA committee people has done more to further the "other" cause than they can imagine. Just sayin!

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Exactly right... hence my comment on the current establishment. There are a few fantastic guys up there, but other than that there needs to be a royal flush.

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What was I spinning? Yours an alphas posts illustrate exactly what is wrong with the current administration.

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All on one page! It's like reading (a smarter version of) Bacon's stuff.

You started out with a great question. Then you jump right into the full sales pitch with the next sentence. I'd like an answer before get all "alternative union" on this beotch.

How can we outsource, if we have no one to outsource to?

The no spin zone is a Plantation. We work in the big house. Others toil in the field performing work we do not want to do. In fact the Master of the house thinks we are nuts to want to go and pick our own damn cotton. Better, they say, to conspire with management to keep the labor in the field cheap while we share the rewards of the Plantation's output.

The "facts" you and alpha posted were not facts. They were at best misinformed conjecture.

The "fact" is that you're so stuck in your ways that you can't see anything that is outside of the box.