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acl65pilot 07-09-2012 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1226953)
Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

Scheduling was correct.

I am sure sailing was confused by the term "duty" Duty and FAR duty time as it pertains to domestic reserves in Whitlow are two different things.

sailingfun 07-09-2012 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1226953)
Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

The max domestic scheduled duty time is 13.00 hours scheduled and 15:00 actual. If it was a very early sign in those times are reduced but can never exceed 15:00 with a 2 man crew. I suspect you are somehow confusing Whitlow with duty. Whitlow was a add on rule after the AA little rock accident. Whitlow has nothing to do with being on duty. Whitlow requires that in any given time period a domestic pilot must be able to look back and find 8 hours rest in any 24 hour period. Whitlow is not duty time and is not considered being on duty contractually or by the FAA.

RonRicco 07-09-2012 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1226953)
Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

You didn't violate anything. SC is not rest nor is it duty. You must be able to look back at the end of a leg (including 30 minute release) and find 8 hours of rest in the previous 24, which is where the 16 hour "duty" day for reserves comes into play.

Now. If your contractually "scheduled" duty day was 13 (or less) hours, you would have been able to stop at 15 as that would be contract plus two.

That is all......

TenYearsGone 07-09-2012 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1226954)
Its not. It is short term locker to get us moving in the correct direction. The word on the street is a tablet that will

ACL,

Im sorry to ask this but I cant see where we (ALPA and Company) have answered this concretely:

Is there any chance, now or in the future, that the Airtran boys can come with the 717s?? I would hate to see a lawsuit in 7 years regarding this.

Do we have any guarantees?

Thanks,

TEN

acl65pilot 07-09-2012 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1226964)
ACL,

Im sorry to ask this but I cant see where we (ALPA and Company) have answered this concretely:

Is there any chance, now or in the future, that the Airtran boys can come with the 717s?? I would hate to see a lawsuit in 7 years regarding this.

Do we have any guarantees?

Thanks,

TEN


The only thing you may reference is SD's memo.

DLpilot 07-09-2012 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1226957)
The max domestic scheduled duty time is 13.00 hours scheduled and 15:00 actual. If it was a very early sign in those times are reduced but can never exceed 15:00 with a 2 man crew. I suspect you are somehow confusing Whitlow with duty. Whitlow was a add on rule after the AA little rock accident. Whitlow has nothing to do with being on duty. Whitlow requires that in any given time period a domestic pilot must be able to look back and find 8 hours rest in any 24 hour period. Whitlow is not duty time and is not considered being on duty contractually or by the FAA.

Reference section 12.E.4

You can remain on duty beyond the 15 hours at your discretion up to the 16 hour limit. This is duty time which does not begin until you report. However, for a reserve on short call then your rest ended at the beginning of short call and therefore subject to 16 hour limitation. You can also reference the flow chart on page 22 of "When Scheduling Calls".

sinca3 07-09-2012 03:30 PM

Skyteam Airline
 
Becoming reality?!?!

Facts and Figures

Cycle Pilot 07-09-2012 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Flying Monkey (Post 1226882)
I've got an Incredible 2 and have been trying to find a way to put 4.0.4 on it, but didn't think it was available yet.

I rooted my Incredible and put AOKP on it. Send me a private message and I'll give you the instructions.

acl65pilot 07-09-2012 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1227009)
Becoming reality?!?!

Facts and Figures


Has been for quite some time.

jabwmu 07-09-2012 05:06 PM

Reserve question:

You have 3 short call credits (Bucket 2 of short calls). Going into your last day on reserve they assign you short call (#4). You do not have a golden day on your next off day. There are other pilots available with one day of availability. However, they are going into golden days (in bucket 1 of short calls).

Can scheduling bypass the bucket system because they are going into golden days (released at noon) and use you?

Thanks.


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