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Wait...there's more...15 hr 18 min FAR Duty Time yesterday, which I don't think will be allow under the new duty time rules since I began at 5 AM. Tower in Nassau lost power for a couple hours, then restored power & we left. I called crew tracking with my duty time concerns. I think the new duty limit for that time of day is 14 hours.

Finally, ALL flights ATL-DFW have about 80 standby's trying to get home. So chilling at a hotel in ATL on my first golden day waiting until American has open seats or until my now scheduled jumpseat is available.

Thank you scheduling and crew tracking. Looking forward to the day when I get off reserve.

If you had a 15:18 FAR day yesterday then you were in violation of the contract. Know your contract and enforce it.

scambo1

07-09-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1226887)

We're going to fly to ATL from Dallas Love Field on 50-seaters.

Delta to launch direct Atlanta service at Love Field - Dallas Business Journal

That'll show 'em.:rolleyes:

upndsky

07-09-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1226911)

If you had a 15:18 FAR day yesterday then you were in violation of the contract. Know your contract and enforce it.

I think that's only for line holders, not reserves. They can be used up to the 16-hour FAR limit.

sailingfun

07-09-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by upndsky (Post 1226923)

I think that's only for line holders, not reserves. They can be used up to the 16-hour FAR limit.

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

acl65pilot

07-09-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1226925)

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

Not as I understand it. If you start SC at say 0330 and get called for a trip at 0630, the FAR duty time starts at 0330 but the PWA limitations start at report; 0630.

You can go to 1930 for 16 hrs from start of SC (Whitlow) and two hr beyond the max allowed duty for report time listed on the rotation for the PWA as allowed in the PWA as long as you do not bust 16 for Whitlow off of start of SC.

*Domestic Ops only, Whitlow does not apply for International Flag Operations. Only PWA requirement there is that you report before the end of your 24 hr SC window.

Max international under the FT/DT;FAR117, will be limited by 14 hrs SC and 22 hrs total from what I remember.

** PWA duty time and FAR duty time are different. Projected FAR duty time is listed on the bottom of "A" days summary when you print out a rotation. PWA duty time is listed as ACT/MAX

Brocc15

07-09-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1226925)

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

Well you are correct in the duty part, but what you are missing is that reserve is not DUTY. The duty time limits don't start for a reserve until you report for a trip. The only part that applies here is the 8 hours rest in 24, because reserve is also not considered rest, which means you can only work up to 16 hours. And if that ends in a dead head it can go farther. I was scheduled for over 17 hours from my on call time to the end of duty the other day and found out it was contractually legal because the last leg was a deadhead.

Jesse

07-09-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1226925)

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

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redship

07-09-2012 01:05 PM

After playing around with Airwatch I am definitely keeping Goodreader. I hope this is not the final product...

Elvis90

07-09-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1226740)

If you had a 15:18 FAR day yesterday then you were in violation of the contract. Know your contract and enforce it.

Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

acl65pilot

07-09-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by redship (Post 1226952)

After playing around with Airwatch I am definitely keeping Goodreader. I hope this is not the final product...

Its not. It is short term locker to get us moving in the correct direction. The word on the street is a tablet that will not just have manuals, but Jepps, Scheduling and Maintenance on it as well. We shall see if it get rolled out.

Talking to a FA on the Next Gen group, they are looking at the Samsung Galaxy for the tablet.

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