Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1166058)

So could the DALPA contract span to more than one company? The regional would get their pilots from Delta and pay in accordance with the Delta contract. All the pilots would be on a master list and could bid between companies as seniority allow. I know it may not be something you can institute now, but just an idea.

Or just negotiate in the your scope clause that any contracted flying must meet certain compensation requirements for pilots, thus driving up the cost of outsourcing.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1166131)

The whole scope and relationship between DAL the DCI carriers and ALPA pilots would need to morph. It is possible though. Reality is the pilots here have to put a dogmatic change in the way scope is written at number one and mean it. Until then we will continue to have the debate.

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1166069)

Slow,

IIRC Compass was started by NWA during their bankruptcy and there were flow agreements in both directions. It's my understanding Compass applicants interviewed with NWA as they would eventually become NWA pilots. This is just my opinion, but DALPA "screwed the pooch" with the way they handled Compass.

The DALPA attitude of "It's a really complex cost equation and you're not smart enough to understand..." is the type of arrogance that I really resent, and one reason why I support DALPA's ouster.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1166117)

QUIT
Actually Bar referenced economics not being a factor...in his post about unity.;) (That is why we must separate unity from economics.)

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1166137)

80 ... some are good folks. This is the sort of thing which should be better targeted than simply "throwing the bums out." See my reply below.
More to the point, the Delta MEC voted against the resolutions passed by their membership in their handling of Compass. In a representational democracy this breach of fiduciary duty must not be tolerated. The recall that was called for was superseded by the expiration of the malfeasors' terms.

Until they make public statements of recompense they are on a list and will be lobbied against when they seek representative responsibilities in our union. They breached our trust by placing their own desires ahead of the pilots they promised to represent.

... and while Alpha will pile in and try to make this personal, it is not. A Representative has a duty to represent. That duty is breached when you vote against your pilots.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1166129)

I love it... someone asks about the union actually doing real analysis on the cost benfits of insourcing, then a union guy comes on and says "we're doing it." When taken a bit deeper, that seems to not be the case. The other unionoid comes on and throws some numbers out there which were quickly taken to task. Cue defending and circles and attempts at fancy wording to look smarter with more info by unionoids which is quite transparent.

Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1166155)

One more time buddy boy and you're on double secret probation!!!:eek:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1166129)

I love it... someone asks about the union actually doing real analysis on the cost benfits of insourcing, then a union guy comes on and says "we're doing it." When taken a bit deeper, that seems to not be the case. The other unionoid comes on and throws some numbers out there which were quickly taken to task. Cue defending and circles and attempts at fancy wording to look smarter with more info by unionoids which is quite transparent.

Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1166129)

I love it... someone asks about the union actually doing real analysis on the cost benfits of insourcing, then a union guy comes on and says "we're doing it." When taken a bit deeper, that seems to not be the case. The other unionoid comes on and throws some numbers out there which were quickly taken to task. Cue defending and circles and attempts at fancy wording to look smarter with more info by unionoids which is quite transparent.

Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?