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Also Padre, instead of 2009 numbers look at the current pay rates. How are you getting a 23.5% difference?

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Originally Posted by jherk02 (Post 1162192)

WOW.

May Rotation 9617 for MSP DC-9B has a seven-leg day.

7:18 Blk, longest turn is 42 minutes.

11:05 LAYO the night before, 10:22 the night of.

It will be interesting to see if this becomes a way-of-life for the ATL DC-9.

I guess I'll have to call in fatigued as soon as I get the rotation....:eek:

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1161756)

First of all, it's "ill-effects". Secondly, who's talking about the ill-effects of Delta? What does that even mean?

Many pilots have given up on ALPA/DALPA. So much so, they don't care about getting communications that they believe is mostly lies and spin. MSNBC doesn't have my email address for the same reason.

How about this one: The elected reps say they've heard our voices loud and clear, and as such, they will expect nothing less than an industry leading contract. The MEC comes out and says: We're going for a "superior contract".

Regardless, that ship has sailed. We couldn't get enough cards in time for the "opener" to be exchanged. So if you want to continue to insult your fellow pilots who wanted a different union, do so on the other thread. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this.

Carl

Oh man Carl!! Tell me you are not a Fixed news fan? MSNBC is out there but the polar opposite is insulting on the 10th degree! But when fixed news hires Geraldo Pico Rivera just to offset the 2016 Democratic nominee Al "I cut myself "Sharpton you have to wonder. or at least go huh?

I like my Intl layovers. At least the world media BBC etc has a balanced POV. The US of course is all about the Michael Moore method of SLING and ZING and like MSNBC, Fixed news is leading the pack under the highly ethical Murdoch. Sorry for the rant, I have not had my coffee yet! :o

Now back to TOSH.O!

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1162167)

They do get a minimum of 6.5/ day with the average around 7.5/day. Minimum of 19.5 for a 3 day with many times getting 24 hours of credit.

The myths about SW get better and better. The minimums at SW are nice. A 3 day trip pays 16 hours and 50 minutes minimum which is 19.5 trips. Their system makes it simple and easy to schedule those days so credit is not found on many trips. The average pilot flies 105 trips a month working 14 to 15 days or so. The average line is around 90 TRP each month and works around 12.5 days before pickups to get to 105. The average SW pilot works around 12 days a month after sick, reserve, mil leave and vacation. The average average Delta pilot works less after those same things are factored in. I don't remember exactly the trip pay however its around 185 per trip at SW. Hourly is around 212 per hour however different sources use different conversions. 212 is close. There contract is up soon like ours.

Now That's a killer rotation. Working 7:30am to 7:30pm with nothing more than potty breaks...

on the second thought, I'll delete things from i crew....

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1162200)

Also Padre, instead of 2009 numbers look at the current pay rates. How are you getting a 23.5% difference?

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ally-make.html

Hmmm. I think after reading that other thread I remember how DAL 88 came up with the 40%+ numbers and it was compensating us for work rule differences such as being PBS vs no PBS, ability to expense killing a cat on the way to work, et.al.

I know people claim we're not as efficient with pilot use as a SWA, and there is truth to that in many regards but at the same time we have PBS. Period. Do the two offset?

And is some of this efficiency stuff out of our hands because of the horrendous amount of outsourcing? We do a lot of 30 hour layovers on the 88 because the city served is only served on the last flight of the day and first morning flight.

So can we really compare efficiency with our scope clause vs theirs?

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Originally Posted by jherk02 (Post 1162192)

Why don't I see that rotation? What date does it start?

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1162267)

Why don't I see that rotation? What date does it start?

It's MSP 9617 on 09MAY

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Originally Posted by jherk02 (Post 1162192)

I agree wow, but at least its mainline doing the flying.:D

From the other thread:

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Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 1045699)

June: worked 11 days for 118 trips 1 week vacation, July worked 14 days and got paid 113 trips. For August I dropped what I could (for no pay) worked 10 and got 77 trips.

My gross thru July 31 is 151k. All 4 weeks of vacation were in the first 6 months and generally bumps the pay up a little. 11 year CA. I'm really hoping you guys get your pay restored!

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Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 1045907)

July - 16 days, $24,388
August 17 days, $23,006

Numbers don't include per - diem, 401k match, vacation, sick pay, only flight pay.

That's the view from the bottom of the barrel in the left seat.

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Originally Posted by Waldo11 (Post 1044998)

My first month at SWA as a new hire. I did work my butt off and won't be doing this all the time but nice to know you have the option.

160 Trips for pay.
Approx 78 were at 2nd yr pay. 78x82.99 = $6473.22
Leaves 82 at 1st yr pay. 82x49.19 = $4033.58

Total $10506.80 add in Per Diem and company 401k match and not bad for first year pay.

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Originally Posted by coffee (Post 1044880)

I glanced at a bid pack for this month. Looks like average is 77 hours. Paying somewhere in the low 90's for trips.

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Originally Posted by skibikegolf (Post 1044906)

For the vast majority of SWA pay, use the following equation:

First 55 minutes = 1 TFP

Every 5 minutes thereafter = .1 TFP

2 hour flight = 55 minutes (1 TFP) + 65 minutes (1.3 TFP) total = 2.3 TFP for a two hour flight.

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Originally Posted by ClipperJet (Post 1044299)

You made me curious, so I called a friend. SWA pilots are paid by the "trip" which I understand is kind of like by the hour, but not really, anyway... I did some math...

Mid level FO makes about $119 a "trip." Apparently, averaging about 100 "trips" per month is pretty normal/easy to get. Guys who really hustle and fly a lot end up around 120 "trips" per month. Not sure exactly how much one has to “hustle”…

100 trips x $119 = $11,900/month
- 401k match is 9.3%, so $11,900 x 1.093 = $13,007/month
- Add about $500/month in per diem = $13,507/month
- $13,507 x 12months = $162,084
- Profit sharing varies, but figure 5%ish: $162,084 x 1.05 = $170,188

- 120 trips: $202,961 as an FO!

Captains:

Captains max out at 12 years at about $185 a "trip."
Same math for 100 trips: $261,078
Same math for 120 trips: $312,033

401k match and profit sharing are retirement accounts. You could not participate in the 401k and profit sharing may go to zero, then...
FO @ 100 trips: $148,800; 120 trips: $177,360
Capt @ 100 trips: $228,000; 120 trips: $272,400

All of this before taxes...