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80ktsClamp 12-29-2011 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by FrankCobretti (Post 1109149)
Ok, but this was a survey. We all got asked what was important to us. It's unrealistic to expect coordination on a bunch of questions we answered in private.

I expect our contract survey reflected a similar range of opinions. That's fine - it should. The real test will be whether we coalesce around a set of common objectives when the time comes.

true in part, however the opinions expressed in the survey were overarching and accusatory of those that don't hold the belief system they do.

10000 12-29-2011 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1109153)
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Roadkill 12-29-2011 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1109146)
roadkill.. I'm curious about you stating that you can't hold on to a west coast base yet were hired in the 2001 era. Were you a north or south hire?


Otherwise a truly spot on post. The one thing consistent about the write in comments was complete self centered thought.

80,
South hire. Can't hold a LINE at LAX, and temporarily the same at SLC on first two AE of 2010 when we mixed the south/north bids. I'm satisfied with my current ability to commute, was trying to illustrate that had I instantly moved to base in the past, I would have been ousted from whatever base I chose as a decent line-holder, had I actually moved there, and been forced into commuting again.

I'm actually OK with current commuting ability, though it could and with 50% of pilots commuting SHOULD be better. It's just the foolish assumption of a simple choice being responsible for commuting that irks me.

When I consider the options and lifestyle for folks junior to me, 2007 and on hires who may be in my position or worse and worse seniority, it really makes me feel for them and shapes my opinions on commuting more strongly than my own situation.

What would I change for commuting?
1. short call increased credit to make it attractive to in-base.
2. Delta pilots being able to book JS on all DCI with at least equal priority as DCI pilots (first come first serve).
3. Better would be PS for commuting EQUAL in monetary value to parking spaces given to in-base folks. Difficult to argue against everyone getting the same $$ to get to sign-in, and using it as they desire.
4. Ability to put trips back to back more efficiently in PBS bidding, making first one "commutable up" and 2nd one "commutable home"... just a software filter tweak for that.
5. Application of the "Unable to Commute" policy so it was a good thing, as it sounds NWA had (could be wrong).

Phuz 12-29-2011 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1109177)
2. Delta pilots being able to book JS on all DCI with at least equal priority as DCI pilots (first come first serve).

Of course you wouldn't want that to work both ways, would you? Some 48 year old DCI punk kid shows up and wants to jumpseat on YOUR metal, and he damn well better be lower priority than you, right?

siemprerojo 12-29-2011 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1109028)
This whole commuter vs. non-commuter issue is troubling.

First off - all pilots should realize that the more we support others, the more they will support us. How does the junior pilot who lives in base, and is not willing to support commuters, feel about the senior WB commuting pilot who does not care about scope?

Secondly, the only winner when pilots start pursuing parochial interests is management via decreased pilot clout. Think how much more effective we can be as a pilot group if we would all be willing to sacrifice a little bit of our interests to the greater good of the pilot group as a whole. I think we would all be better off. I think we would find our particular interests that we thought we were compromising on, would actually do quite well.

Before any of the anti-DPA crowd jump in and misinterpret this as a slam on the DPA, that is not what I am talking about. Competition for representation is good, and if anything in response to the DPA, DALPA has recently upped its game. Blind allegiance to anything is probably not good.

Although the fault for this condition, apparent lack of solidarity, lies primarily with all of us as individual Pilots, perhaps DALPA could do a better job explaining why we all need to support each other. Specifically: Senior Pilots should be concerned about Scope, non-commuters should be concerned about commuting policies, young pilots should be concerned about retirement, healthy pilots should be concerned about disability and sick leave policies. Not for altruistic reasons but for our own self interest.

In my opinion we will all fare better in areas that we are intimately concerned with if we would be more willing to support others in areas that may not appear to directly affect us. Think of the whole "synergy" thing.

Scoop


HAAAHHAAAAAHEEEEEE (Think of Tom and Ray (Car Talk) rolling on the floor after a caller asks why you have to put air in your tires) whowhowho hehehe.
On a TOE last year, I got the pleasure of sitting next to the relief pilot who was younger than me but in the upper 10% in Altanta. The 2+ hours were spent on how certain things in our contract affect him. This included being besides himself as to why we give up negotiate a commuter policy (It's a choice don't you know?). He couldn't even stop long enough to ask my career progression in the last ten years.
You know, it wouldn't even had been worth it telling him about the 2 furloughs, the 5 different jobs in various regions of the country, sitting in the jumpseat on a 737 and counting it as rest on a 10 flight hour, 17 hour duty day, watching my "ALPA brothers and sisters" fly 90 hours a month while a bunch of us were on furlough. There is one person who is important in this world, just ask him.
Anyway, I run into these kinds of people all the time. And then I run into the most generous thoughtful people in the world. Sadly, there is more of the former than the latter.
What would Delta Air Lines and ALPA be like if everyone worked towards the good of ALL the individuals in the organization? I know, whacha been smoking Willis?:)

Roadkill 12-29-2011 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1109181)
Of course you wouldn't want that to work both ways, would you? Some 48 year old DCI punk kid shows up and wants to jumpseat on YOUR metal, and he damn well better be lower priority than you, right?

Everything that says "Delta" on it, and paid for by Delta, should be accessible for me to book the JS. I'm not expert enough in all the DCI contracts, who owns what jets, and relationships to have a perfectly valid opinion on this one, but believe my general statement above is valid. I would of course expect that everything I fly for Pinnacle under contract to them, Pinnacle pilots would get priority over me--the exact same relationship for all involved. And I wouldn't prioritize non-rev seats in back to Delta perhaps... only one single seat, the JS, to allow commuters to make full use of the "Delta System", and again, not with priority above DCI pilots, just allow me to compete for booking it and not getting bumped if I do.

Phuz, I'm a huge fan of the RJ pilots I've met, one and all. Swapped out of the JS to the last non-rev seat last month to get a Pinnacle guy on board, somehow my priority got me the seat and his wouldn't--on the ball gate agent there. Gave up a JS on Delta 5 weeks ago for a Skywest guy getting to work, as I had a BU on SWA that I knew was open and OK for my timing but not for his. And yes, I'd like every pilot flying a plane with "Delta Connection" on it to be on one list, somehow. Not a fan of totally seniority based systems at all, but a big fan of putting myself in the other guy's shoes and then doing the right thing... it's amazing how quickly karma tends to repay you. If nothing else, I made a friend.

Elliot 12-29-2011 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by 10000 (Post 1109176)
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PilotFrog 12-29-2011 01:35 PM

Interesting webpage for all of those who might be upside down in their house right now. This has nothing to do about moving and commuting, just something I saw on 60 minutes. I say if you can walk away, screw the banks, aren't they the ones that let the mortgage crisis happen and caused the value of homes to plummet anyway?
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Elliot 12-29-2011 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1109194)
Not a fan of totally seniority based systems at all, but a big fan of putting myself in the other guy's shoes and then doing the right thing... it's amazing how quickly karma tends to repay you. If nothing else, I made a friend.

Exactly.

I was commuting out of Fargo some time ago on a Delta flight. Cockpit jumpseat came down to me and a US Air Express (PDT) pilot. I decided to give it to her, as I had a backup on a later flight.

Then the flight has a "no-show" at the last minute. (Someone checked-in online, but never made it to the gate.) The end result is the PDT pilot made it to work, and I had a first class seat on the flight as it was too late to upgrade anyone and put me in the back.

Karma works in mysterious ways sometimes.

GJ

Carl Spackler 12-29-2011 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1109221)
Interesting webpage for all of those who might be upside down in their house right now. This has nothing to do about moving and commuting, just something I saw on 60 minutes. I say if you can walk away, screw the banks, aren't they the ones that let the mortgage crisis happen and caused the value of homes to plummet anyway?

No, they weren't. The reason housing prices collapsed is because banks lent money to people who promised to pay it back. Too many people didn't keep their promise and walked away. When they did so they didn't screw the banks, they screwed the rest of us who do pay their bills and keep their promises. Now you offer this website as an example of how to walk away from your mortgage. Is anyone surprised now that banks don't want to lend?

Carl


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