Wrong. UAL, CAL and now UCAL have been dealing with it. Our JPWA had it in place. Hawaiian had it in place.

Like I said, there is no proof only speculation. Until there is hard proof of it, it is just a scare tactic. If we do see proof of it, I will agree with there being a serious conflict. Seeing what I see wrt to that, we will confer, but carry on with what we choose to do, no matter what they say. If that changes, and you can provide factual proof, show it.

Ohhhh grasshopper. Think leverage.

No ALPA president would NEED to refuse to sign. You just need to threaten to withhold expertise, and funding. Lee has been extremely clear (in writing) that ALPA national will use ALL ITS RESOURCES to ensure future pilot contracts are not "self-serving", but rather reflect what is best for the pilot profession "as a whole." These are Lee's words. From those words and his history, I think it is clear that Lee will define what is best for the profession as a whole.

Carl

This whining over the opener is getting pretty old. It's right at 2 months away, and that will go by quick. If we don't get shown it, then there is good reason for a massive uproar.

The past few pages has been nothing but http://kinialohaguy.files.wordpress....6/banghead.gif

It's more than just perception. What ALPA is trying to do is the very definition of a conflict of interest. Conflict of Interest defined:

Conflict of Interest n. a situation in which a person has a duty to more than one person or organization, but cannot do justice to the actual or potentially adverse interests of both parties. This includes when an individual's personal interests or concerns are inconsistent with the best for a customer, or when a public official's personal interests are contrary to his/her loyalty to public business. An attorney, an accountant, a business adviser or realtor cannot represent two parties in a dispute and must avoid even the appearance of conflict. He/she may not join with a client in business without making full disclosure of his/her potential conflicts, he/she must avoid commingling funds with the client, and never, never take a position adverse to the customer.


You decide.

Carl

Ok Carl;
Have did the ALPA lawyers represent both Ford and Cooksey as well as us when the lawsuit was going on?

When there is a direct conflict of a regional with a mainline do the ALPA lawyers represent both?

The answer is, no.

When it comes to the company, When was the last time that a regional was negotiating with Delta Air Lines? The flow agreements are two party agreements that have a regional agreement and a mainline agreement that mirrors each other for that very reason. Comair dealt with their management and ASA with theirs.

The lurkers I fly with say the same thing about acl. My last crew says he's simply out to prove his worth to the MEC after he was viciously attacked in his election run. He learned that an appointed position on the MEC is where the real power lies. Not to mention 90 plus hours on the highest category you can hold and staying on full flight pay loss if you wish to not fly. In order to get one of those appointments, it requires a show of total and unwavering loyalty.

I think they're right.

Carl

How many black helicopters are over your house right now?

We have the money to do what we need to do within the MEC. He is not going to do that and you know that. Give it up.

We'll know it happened after the opener is exchanged with the company, because we can't produce our scope opener without first conferring with the unions of our direct RJ competitors.

The meetings will likely not be recorded or transcribed in any way. Thus we'll never know what was said.

Almost certainly, yes.

Almost certainly, yes.

I don't believe we'll ever know a single thing about these meetings or what was said in them. Thus we'll have nothing to follow up on.

Got a lot more of acl spin to respond to, but I've got to run...I'm not on flight pay loss.

Carl

Carl;
The Reps know the way I think, and many times it is contrary to their thinking. Disagreements are ok. It is good to debate the issues for their merit. It is what I do with them.

I am not getting appointed to anything anytime soon. Still have only thee FPL days in the last five year, and am still putting in many hrs a month of my own time doing ALPA work.

Contrary to your post, I prefer to fly, and do so when scheduling finds me. I can count the times I have been in the MEC offices in the last year on one hand.

Had a DPA guy on the JS a few weeks ago. We had an awesome conversation about all of the accusations you make on here, and at the end of it, he wanted to volunteer for ALPA work. Wants to see what he can do to get involved and what he can do to force the issues. If more were like him, we would be moving this ball forward, and not dribbling it back and forth.