Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1124127)

So do I. Ask yourself why a guy like me who wants change so badly within ALPA is fighting to keep ALPA and did not jump in to the DPA ring?



People can disagree. It is very hard to shoot inside the circle and discuss what we discussed a few years ago. Why? Because you and others are trying to de-certify the union. You many think that my desire for change with ALPA has changed, but it has not. What is different is I disagree with the premise of voting out ALPA. I have long since stated that I want to fix what we have. Many think it is too broke to fix, but the reality is that changing bargaining agents right now concerns me for many reasons. First, without a true plan of action, there is nothing that I can compare to what we have, Second, it is a lot harder than changing a name plate, Third, the timing and the world we live in is just not right for this, Fourth, the notion that a new agent would be cheaper and would be able to better represent us is woefully overestimated. The costs are going to be a lot more than you think.

If DPA or another independent group is a failure, you will not get to come back in to the fold like FDX did. It is a one way street and there will be no going back. For that reason, my position is that we need to be very careful about this. There will be no ability to act on buyers remorse. If you want to discuss what we talked about a little over two years ago, stop the dive to kick ALPA out. My position is the same on those issues as it was two years ago. Fix what needs fixing within ALPA. It is what I have been working on for the last two years. Sorry if I am not touting on here about that work. Increasing leverage, writing resolutions, and presenting case arguments to those that can make the decisions is where my effort has been going. If the pilots that put in their cards for DPA would reengage in the process, you may actually see more success in that regard. Problem is the, check and balance is not there.

Oh and a tidbit that came out of the MEC open session about the FT/DT. The President (White House one not Lee) himself is the reason for the cargo cutout. There is not one thing anyone could have done about that. It is about money and support for November.

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1124285)

Sorry to pile on, but.........what gives you the "divine light" to state that DAL would not be allowed back in ALPA if they left , like FDX was.......I'm pretty sure I didn't see you during that process.

BG

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1124277)

Once again, the discussion is turned to DPA. Isn't there a whole thread dedicated to that topic? :eek:

Why does it always come down to that, ACL? I thought we were debating the merits of ALPA's objective (or lack thereof).

It's really interesting how the ALPA aficionados bring up DPA more than the DPA aficionados do? Weird! :confused:

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1124277)

Once again, the discussion is turned to DPA. Isn't there a whole thread dedicated to that topic? :eek:

Why does it always come down to that, ACL? I thought we were debating the merits of ALPA's objective (or lack thereof).

It's really interesting how the ALPA aficionados bring up DPA more than the DPA aficionados do? Weird! :confused:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1124291)

I highly suspect that ALPA will not survive without the delta pilots. It is more of a guess on the direction ALPA will go with the loss of over 25% of the total pilots.

Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1124308)

It's not that ALPA wouldn't survive without 25% of their pilots. I'm sure the 25% that DALPA makes up generates a considerable larger percentage of ALPA's income. No idea what that number is although I'd guess it's around 35% of ALPA's income. Anyone know the answer to that?

ALPA is financially dependent on 3 pilot groups, Delta, United and FedEx. I'd bet that the rest of the US ALPA carriers combined don't even make up 20% of ALPA's income.

Anyone know those stats?

Originally Posted by Brocc15 (Post 1124312)

Side boob and DPA vs ALPA. This thread is cyclical like the airlines. Anyone have any good rumors? When we get the 737s where do you all think they will will allocate the pilot bases?