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Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 1125291)
Another side bit in that memo was the LGA-MSY flight which started out as an RJ but is now a 319. Perhaps we will fly something bigger on the LGA DFW legs! I guess I'll have to be patient, which goes against most pilot tendencies!:eek:
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Originally Posted by orvil
(Post 1125698)
Your memory doesn't go back far enough. We used to do LGA-MSY on a 727.
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Originally Posted by orvil
(Post 1125698)
Your memory doesn't go back far enough. We used to do LGA-MSY on a 727.
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Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 1125702)
Yeah, and we didn't use to have any RJs. What's your point?
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1125619)
Actually the codeshare committee puts out a pretty good projection on what is happening with RJs, you'll find it on the DALPA site...
From the November 2011 codeshare committee PowerPoint presentation Slide 3: 13 AC removed from Mainline fleet since the Aug 2011 MEC meeting Slide 4: 8 MD90s added Slide 9: DCI fleet added 4 since Aug 2011 MEC report and 14 since the May 2011 report Slide 21: Peak DCI departures projected to exceed 60% of all Delta system departures in Dec 2013 before retreating again and reaching September 2011 levels by Sept 2016. Again this isnt conjecture on my part, but the data presented by SM and RD of the DALPA codeshare comittee available at dal.alpa.org. Cheers George |
Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 1125702)
Yeah, and we didn't use to have any RJs. What's your point?
My point is it shouldn't have ever been an RJ in the first place. It should have always stayed mainline just like LGA-DFW. The loads used to be there when it was mainline. Now we have driven those away with RJ's. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1125701)
We also once did LGA-DFW on the 727. Clearing the berms at the end the runway at LGA was always a issue on that flight. Then one day they cut out the berms. Smart move. You could see all the grooves in them from tailskid hits.
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Originally Posted by DFW Refugee
(Post 1125770)
And we had a 757 from DFW to LGA 11-12 years ago. 727 from DFW-JFK-DFW. Any argument supporting rjs developing a market is simply mngmnt trying to see if it will stick...and to see if we'll buy it. :mad: Heck, AA used to fly DC-10s...FULL between DFW-LGA!
Market destruction is putting RJs on what used to be a full widebody route, or connecting MAJOR hubs with RJ only service then calling it feed. I dont care what anybody says, when I commute on a 50 seat RJ, it is uncomfortable... Poor mainline service beats great 50 seat service. Bigger than 50 seat should be a mainline aircraft. |
Originally Posted by orvil
(Post 1125768)
My point is it shouldn't have ever been an RJ in the first place. It should have always stayed mainline just like LGA-DFW. The loads used to be there when it was mainline. Now we have driven those away with RJ's.
I was extremely upset when the initial two rounds of routes came out and there were only 7 mainline routes listed. I guess I'm looking for the "silver" lining. Seems to be strangely lead colored however - that won't hurt me will it? |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1125774)
I gotta absolutely agree with you. Market development is something like CHS-BNA or ROC-ORF.
Market destruction is putting RJs on what used to be a full widebody route, or connecting MAJOR hubs with RJ only service then calling it feed. I dont care what anybody says, when I commute on a 50 seat RJ, it is uncomfortable... Poor mainline service beats great 50 seat service. Bigger than 50 seat should be a mainline aircraft. Of course, if you don't advertise, you can throw airplanes at a segment and when folks don't come cancel it and tell everyone how stupid they were. I guess network just hopes that word of mouth and the intraweb thingy will solve all of their problems. |
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