Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-20-2012, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by UncleSam
Reserve assignment question: Long call pilot upon return from a trip pilot checks his schedule and nothing is assigned. What is the earliest sign in that scheduling can give him if a trip comes up after the schedule check?
02-20-2012, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
As I mentioned in other posts this contract will be won or lost behind the scenes in Washington DC and the ATA and Company have more money to buy influence. That is why DPA would be a utter failure. They would have zero influence and it takes years to even decades to build that up. The fact ALPA was able to push through a expensive piece of special interest legislation in Jan gives me some hope however!
One of the many falsehoods promoted by DALPA is to make you think that this is all done "behind the scenes in DC" so as to make you think that you have almost no role other than to trust DALPA 100%, and accept whatever DALPA says to accept when the TA comes out. If they can get you to believe that, you'll stop "wanting" too much and you'll stay the hell out of the process.
Don't fall for it.
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02-20-2012, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Forget you Bar, what about the guys who where captains and have been displaced, their pay cut makes yours pale by comparison.
You could say luck is part element of when one gets hired, but seniority progression is an implicit promise of a the seniority based system and determines pay.
The threats that caused seniority regression for the past 10 years have not passed but are being managed very well. It's time to recapture some pay by having seniority progression. This is an issue that should be of interest to all pilots especially when you consider the compounding of interest on retirement savings based on current earnings. This is a huge deal financially!
Cheers
George
You could say luck is part element of when one gets hired, but seniority progression is an implicit promise of a the seniority based system and determines pay.
The threats that caused seniority regression for the past 10 years have not passed but are being managed very well. It's time to recapture some pay by having seniority progression. This is an issue that should be of interest to all pilots especially when you consider the compounding of interest on retirement savings based on current earnings. This is a huge deal financially!
Cheers
George
02-20-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven
Yes - I mentioned scope about 20 times - both 50 seat and 250+
I found one question most interesting - what would you strike over? Then the pollster listing individually about 10-15 items...4 or 5 of which were scope. I hadn't thought about it in terms of what I wouldn't strike over, but there were definitely items I wouldn't be willing to go to the mat over. Scope and pay were strikeables.
02-20-2012, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
There's a big difference between 100% and that mysterious number that's unknown but rumored to be low.
Speaking of, since DALPA loves printing out "Rumor Control" papers for my v-file that tell me ALPA's losing a class action law suit wasn't really a loss in the real sense, and by the way ALPA would never do anything other than put every pilot's interest first and foremost even if it means less power for ALPA, then why not one for something about the survey? Rumor Control: DALPA will not reveal the survey results, but through leaks we believe we can get you to accept they're what we hint they're close to, which if you're a reasonable individual you'll accept that a pilot is happy working for what he makes now plus a cola increase.
Speaking of, since DALPA loves printing out "Rumor Control" papers for my v-file that tell me ALPA's losing a class action law suit wasn't really a loss in the real sense, and by the way ALPA would never do anything other than put every pilot's interest first and foremost even if it means less power for ALPA, then why not one for something about the survey? Rumor Control: DALPA will not reveal the survey results, but through leaks we believe we can get you to accept they're what we hint they're close to, which if you're a reasonable individual you'll accept that a pilot is happy working for what he makes now plus a cola increase.
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02-20-2012, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Another great example of a BLATANT LIE from a member of our MEC bureaucracy. The NMB has absolutely NO ROLE whatsoever prior to them being inserted in the process via the Railway Labor Act. When the NMB briefed the company and DALPA in January, they laid out the process and STATED they have no role until called for by the RLA. Yet slowplay feels the need to lie about it and state that "the NMB are already heavily involved in our contract."
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02-20-2012, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
An airline with management interested in managing an airline would retaliate for our partner's unfaithfulness.
More to the point, Hawaiian wants to be a growing, dynamic, airline. Best to partner with a growing, dynamic, airline. Who needs a slowly consolidating legacy carrier? Our partner's only interest in us is as an organ donor.
It would be an interesting curiosity, but for the fact this airline's capacity reductions will cost me at least $11,000 this year. Pulling together for Delta's success? Really Richard? Then why did you outsource my job?
More to the point, Hawaiian wants to be a growing, dynamic, airline. Best to partner with a growing, dynamic, airline. Who needs a slowly consolidating legacy carrier? Our partner's only interest in us is as an organ donor.
It would be an interesting curiosity, but for the fact this airline's capacity reductions will cost me at least $11,000 this year. Pulling together for Delta's success? Really Richard? Then why did you outsource my job?
I think it's fair to say I'm a big fan of yours. Your posts always reflect considerable thought, as well as great research and insight.
I would really enjoy a Question and Answer session with you and RA, with no punches pulled. (In the interest of full disclosure, I'd also like a similar session with our MEC chairman under similar rules.)
In all fairness, I do however wonder why you continue to support DALPA...
02-20-2012, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Found a picture that describes the DPA's role in Contract 2012, while our MEC is trying to score a couple points:
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02-20-2012, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
02-20-2012, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You almost got it right Bar. All those people with the "miss it" signs are line pilots who see that the DALPA guy is about to shoot it in the other team's basket. Management's basket.
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