Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-20-2012 | 11:51 PM
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I know it's considered odd in our subculture, but I swung by the pilot shop last time I was in Atlanta to grab some long-sleeved shirts. I just feel like a kid playing dress up when I wear a short-sleeved shirt with a blazer and tie.
...and as far as hats are concerned, I'll follow my employer's rules for as long as I'm cashing his checks.
...and as far as hats are concerned, I'll follow my employer's rules for as long as I'm cashing his checks.
That sounds like a royal pain. Why? Last time I looked (haven't in a while) it was legal (during no coat season or when your rotation included certain destinations) to wear short sleeves W/O the coat BUT it isn't legal to wear the long sleeve shirt W/O the coat. Just food for thought (or until an FOM guru gives me the actual words).
02-21-2012 | 01:30 AM
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02-21-2012 | 01:35 AM
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I'm late to the hat redux....I've been flying. An hour of deicing in MSP and kicking off a really drunk chick prior to push. Any way, what some of you guys are missing is what a great layover receptacle the hat is. When I roll into a hotel room, I set it down upside down, and load my ID, my wallet, the room key, my tie, my copy of the rotation and the Dead Sea scrolls. Mother Delta is just looking out for us. Otherwise, pilots would lose a whole bunch of shizzle without said hat.
02-21-2012 | 02:28 AM
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I'm late to the hat redux....I've been flying. An hour of deicing in MSP and kicking off a really drunk chick prior to push. Any way, what some of you guys are missing is what a great layover receptacle the hat is. When I roll into a hotel room, I set it down upside down, and load my ID, my wallet, the room key, my tie, my copy of the rotation and the Dead Sea scrolls. Mother Delta is just looking out for us. Otherwise, pilots would lose a whole bunch of shizzle without said hat.
Exactly...and don't forget, when you come up short of beer money on your next layover, it makes a great collection basket. I usually just sit on the sidewalk and play guitar or preach the spoken word, for tips!
02-21-2012 | 03:46 AM
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I'm going off now to write the written word.
The Reverend Carl
02-21-2012 | 03:52 AM
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I was talking about Spoken Word poetry, not just His word...but I'll try to tie them both together for you.
All I could find was this one. I think this guy's Com Air...notice the jacket, size of his watch, and no hat!
But how's he going to get any beer money with no hat?? And if I catch him working my corner, there will be blood!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY
All I could find was this one. I think this guy's Com Air...notice the jacket, size of his watch, and no hat!
But how's he going to get any beer money with no hat?? And if I catch him working my corner, there will be blood!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY
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02-21-2012 | 04:38 AM
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it's coming sooner rather than later with oil projected to climb to $140 barrel this year (gas is an all-time high for this time in the year.). All the while, we have a moratorium of drilling in the gulf and the president refuses to increase capacity.
Fortunately, this may accelerate the 50 seaters demise. Now on to the 76 seaters.
Unfortunately, pilots will have to once again subsidize ticket prices.
Fortunately, this may accelerate the 50 seaters demise. Now on to the 76 seaters.
Unfortunately, pilots will have to once again subsidize ticket prices.
02-21-2012 | 05:08 AM
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I see on the MEC website there is NMB briefing info from the Jan meeting in DC.Where can we find what the senior execs said to the MEC about "their view of the pilots' role in Delta's long-term plans"?Or is this info not going to be released?
02-21-2012 | 05:16 AM
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I don't know what level of reading comprehension skills you have, but when I read the first part of Jesse's post:
No reason to get snotty.
The thing I get from Jesse's post is that Jesse has little confidence in the ability of the current bargaining agent to deliver the best that can be done.
That is exactly what I read, and asked about. But I also asked what it is about DPA that he thinks will make them able to deliver something that DALP would not be able to do. I'll take a couple of examples to convince me. Would they somehow be able to short circuit the NMB and get them to allow us to strike? Would they be able to get the company to say "OK.. just kidding, you got us (with embarrassed looks on their faces).. you can have a 50% pay increase" just by beating their chests and threatening a strike? (See first question). I just wonder what (and why) it is that DPA supporters think they can deliver over what DALPA can deliver. The nefarious bull**** about wanting to go to national and all that crap aside, the majority of reps will live under any contract they deliver. It doesn't make sense to torpedo the pilot group (which seems to be the DPA's mantra) for the "benefit" of a couple of dudes...
What makes you think that Jesse's lack of confidence in the current bargaining agent's ability to deliver the best possible outcome is in any way less valid a point than your similar sentiments towards the current administrations ability for the country?
I don't. Never said his concerns about DALPA were less valid than mine are re: oboma.
That seems like a logical short circuit to me...Unless your definition of best possible outcome differs greatly from that of Jesse's.It
That might very well be the crux of the disagreement. I see that napkin math that says just by raising fares a couple of bucks we can all get paid $1M/year yada yada yada... and I see pure naivete'. This is a business with razor thin margins. Sad, but true. Everybody is operating under that sword of Damocles. The bright (but predictable) spot in the silver lining is that "the Darling" fired the first shot in fare increases last week. When THE low fare airline has to raise fares, that is a pretty good signal of where the industry is right now. Back on point. The best possible outcome is what both parties would be striving for. I just do not believe that DPA has any business in the equation - at this point in time -. If you and Jesse are not happy with the result they bring to us, by all means vote no, but I implore you to do so based on facts, and not emotion. Yes, we gave a lot in BK.. the bills need to be paid. A naive group of amateurs is not the way to achieve that payment... IMHO. Fire away.
Cheers
George
No reason to get snotty.
The thing I get from Jesse's post is that Jesse has little confidence in the ability of the current bargaining agent to deliver the best that can be done.
That is exactly what I read, and asked about. But I also asked what it is about DPA that he thinks will make them able to deliver something that DALP would not be able to do. I'll take a couple of examples to convince me. Would they somehow be able to short circuit the NMB and get them to allow us to strike? Would they be able to get the company to say "OK.. just kidding, you got us (with embarrassed looks on their faces).. you can have a 50% pay increase" just by beating their chests and threatening a strike? (See first question). I just wonder what (and why) it is that DPA supporters think they can deliver over what DALPA can deliver. The nefarious bull**** about wanting to go to national and all that crap aside, the majority of reps will live under any contract they deliver. It doesn't make sense to torpedo the pilot group (which seems to be the DPA's mantra) for the "benefit" of a couple of dudes...
What makes you think that Jesse's lack of confidence in the current bargaining agent's ability to deliver the best possible outcome is in any way less valid a point than your similar sentiments towards the current administrations ability for the country?
I don't. Never said his concerns about DALPA were less valid than mine are re: oboma.
That seems like a logical short circuit to me...Unless your definition of best possible outcome differs greatly from that of Jesse's.It
That might very well be the crux of the disagreement. I see that napkin math that says just by raising fares a couple of bucks we can all get paid $1M/year yada yada yada... and I see pure naivete'. This is a business with razor thin margins. Sad, but true. Everybody is operating under that sword of Damocles. The bright (but predictable) spot in the silver lining is that "the Darling" fired the first shot in fare increases last week. When THE low fare airline has to raise fares, that is a pretty good signal of where the industry is right now. Back on point. The best possible outcome is what both parties would be striving for. I just do not believe that DPA has any business in the equation - at this point in time -. If you and Jesse are not happy with the result they bring to us, by all means vote no, but I implore you to do so based on facts, and not emotion. Yes, we gave a lot in BK.. the bills need to be paid. A naive group of amateurs is not the way to achieve that payment... IMHO. Fire away.
Cheers
George
02-21-2012 | 05:22 AM
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I said "if I'm taken for granted..."
As for their standing down, I respect the ingenuity of using that card to try and quiet the efforts being made on behalf of the concerned, but I don't buy it. DALPA knows they have the full support of getting everything they can for its pilots, and their efforts should not be affected by possible suspicions or made up "rumor" that they don't have a unified force. I have to be convinced of this just as you do that they will strive to bring us the best possible contract. Have you spoken to a rep who has voiced this as a concern? No I have not. In what way does DPA affect their desire to not achieve the best possible outcome? You're right it doesn't. If anything, the opposite would seem to be true: get the best contract you can for your pilots because if there's widespread dissatisfaction then DPA becomes even more viable. Yup, no argument. I have never said otherwise. I have even complimented the donuts for waking up the sleeping giant. If the concern is unity then DALPA could have allowed DPA a vote without the requirement for signing up 51% of pilots as a gesture toward showing its desire to be a unified pilot group, no matter the representation. See below No, such a suggestion is not the true reason for asking DPA to stand down for a year.
As for their standing down, I respect the ingenuity of using that card to try and quiet the efforts being made on behalf of the concerned, but I don't buy it. DALPA knows they have the full support of getting everything they can for its pilots, and their efforts should not be affected by possible suspicions or made up "rumor" that they don't have a unified force. I have to be convinced of this just as you do that they will strive to bring us the best possible contract. Have you spoken to a rep who has voiced this as a concern? No I have not. In what way does DPA affect their desire to not achieve the best possible outcome? You're right it doesn't. If anything, the opposite would seem to be true: get the best contract you can for your pilots because if there's widespread dissatisfaction then DPA becomes even more viable. Yup, no argument. I have never said otherwise. I have even complimented the donuts for waking up the sleeping giant. If the concern is unity then DALPA could have allowed DPA a vote without the requirement for signing up 51% of pilots as a gesture toward showing its desire to be a unified pilot group, no matter the representation. See below No, such a suggestion is not the true reason for asking DPA to stand down for a year.
It is MY reason for asking them to stand down.
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