Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-14-2012 | 12:28 PM
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03-14-2012 | 12:30 PM
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You should also negotiate minimum standards for newhire pilots in there. I don't think I've ever seen this before but it could be very beneficial with the upcoming "pilot shortage" / massive hiring / whatever.
All pilots hired at Delta shall have:
Civilian background-
3000 TT,
1000 Turbine PIC
Military flight training successfully completed-
1000 TT
500 Turbine PIC
Or whatever you guys feel appropriate. Keep the standards high. That'll help combat a lot of downward pressure in the future. They'll have to keep wages high to attract the qualified applicants when there is a shortage of them out there.
All pilots hired at Delta shall have:
Civilian background-
3000 TT,
1000 Turbine PIC
Military flight training successfully completed-
1000 TT
500 Turbine PIC
Or whatever you guys feel appropriate. Keep the standards high. That'll help combat a lot of downward pressure in the future. They'll have to keep wages high to attract the qualified applicants when there is a shortage of them out there.
03-14-2012 | 12:36 PM
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It is obvious to me that the conflict of interest that DALPA so vehemently denies is real. If it was not real, our opener would have included taking flying back. The fact of the matter is, if we take flying back, we will put our regional pilots out of work. I'm fine with that. Long term everyone will be better off. There will be some regional pilots that do not get hired at Delta, but most probably will. ALPA national would have to approve an agreement that DALPA signs making this happen. Like it or not, that opens ALPA to a DFR suit from the regional pilots. They can deny it as much as they want, but DALPA puts out very weak language when it comes to scope. The facts speak for themselves.
03-14-2012 | 12:39 PM
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03-14-2012 | 12:40 PM
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Does anyone know how the management pilots pay is derived? Is it a salary, straight hours, or is there any performance pay included(not profit sharing)...thanks
03-14-2012 | 12:58 PM
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Generally speaking, I think it is 85 hr on what they could hold plus an over-ride. Don't know how much the over-ride is. Most of them fly one trip a month.
03-14-2012 | 02:47 PM
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Don't be that guy or girl. 
Unfortunately today, I got to listen Capt Douche pontificate about his Navy career to include a list of the ships he served on and the aircraft he and his Air Force F/O had flown. During his PA, the passengers kept looking at the other uniformed crew members with the question in there eyes as to why is this tool giving us his resume. If his was you today on the XXXX am, MSP to ATL flight, STOP IT! Noboby cares about your resume....... You are making a fool of yourself.
As a veteran, I appreciate your service, but PAs like this have to stop.
Unfortunately today, I got to listen Capt Douche pontificate about his Navy career to include a list of the ships he served on and the aircraft he and his Air Force F/O had flown. During his PA, the passengers kept looking at the other uniformed crew members with the question in there eyes as to why is this tool giving us his resume. If his was you today on the XXXX am, MSP to ATL flight, STOP IT! Noboby cares about your resume....... You are making a fool of yourself.As a veteran, I appreciate your service, but PAs like this have to stop.
What an FO who knows whats coming should do is say:
"Me? Well, I learned to fly in college. Well sort of, I was drunk a lot. It took me forever to get through training. After I graduated I bought 200 hours of right seat time on a Beech 99. I then flew for Trans States but got furloughed. I applied to GoJet but wasn't hired. So I took a job flying a Apache for a Mile High Club operation, its not as exciting as you think. It was most man-on-man, at best old swingers. It went out of business though. I realized then, I need to get a real job. I'd been flying for 15 years but really I was just chasing girls and hanging out at bars, crashing on my buddy's couch, until he got married. So I moved back home with the folks to save money. But that's okay, when my girlfriend turned 18 we got married, legally this time, and so really it was worth it to move back home. Otherwise, I'd never married my buddy's little sister. I have a girl next door thing. So anyways, I needed a job when she turned out to be prego, so I borrowed some money and bought a 727 type rating. When that wasn't enough I went to a Women in Aviation conference. I know I'm a guy, but hey got an interview with Delta and here I am. Why do you ask?"
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03-14-2012 | 03:13 PM
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ACL,
I read " Improve balance of flying between Delta and DCI" as a way of saying we want to lock the (current?) ASM ratio between Delta and DCI. This might work if Alpa is seeking a large cut in current DCI flying but my guess is they won't. Worse, I bet that alpa will put in a one way valve were DCI can grow but doesn't have to shrink when mainline does.
Hope I'm wrong but there were enough specifics in other sections that section 1 has left me underwhelmed . Also, I can't tell your tone but why is a sunset clause a fantasy? Even if we just half the 255 large RJs, sunsetting seems like a good way of taking the sting out of RJ reductions.
Vpr
I read " Improve balance of flying between Delta and DCI" as a way of saying we want to lock the (current?) ASM ratio between Delta and DCI. This might work if Alpa is seeking a large cut in current DCI flying but my guess is they won't. Worse, I bet that alpa will put in a one way valve were DCI can grow but doesn't have to shrink when mainline does.
Hope I'm wrong but there were enough specifics in other sections that section 1 has left me underwhelmed . Also, I can't tell your tone but why is a sunset clause a fantasy? Even if we just half the 255 large RJs, sunsetting seems like a good way of taking the sting out of RJ reductions.
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The language is not my favorite but lacks the specifics. Therefore I will wait and see what the finished product looks like. I suspected Section 1 would be vague for obvious reasons. It really is simple, if it does not meet the minimums required, the TA as a whole gets a no vote.
03-14-2012 | 03:35 PM
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Lots of talk about the Scope from this group, that's good. As of the last 44 meeting, mainline was down 50 airframes from the time of the merger. DCI is still at 255 70 seat RJ's. Thus, as a percentage the 70 seat segment has grown. I think that's probably the intent of the language, to put a cap on the percentage that DCI can grow, but who knows at this point.
Scope is very near and dear to me, but I'm surprised how many wanted to see re-capture of the 70-76 seat segment. I'm all for getting that flying back. But expect minimal contract improvements if that happens. I would take that flying back for no raise at all, most will not however. I'd be shocked if we ever get the 70 seat flying back to mainline. Just my .02
Scope is very near and dear to me, but I'm surprised how many wanted to see re-capture of the 70-76 seat segment. I'm all for getting that flying back. But expect minimal contract improvements if that happens. I would take that flying back for no raise at all, most will not however. I'd be shocked if we ever get the 70 seat flying back to mainline. Just my .02
03-14-2012 | 03:49 PM
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I thought it was a joke and was looking around for the camera.
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