I hope you're right, acl. I'm just being negative, I guess.

Everyone is getting wrapped up in pay rates. The hourly pay rate is just one part of the total cost of a labor contract. The only way we will get those planes back from DCI is if the cost of our labor contract is competitive with the DCI cost. Since 9/11 DALPA's workers have become much more efficient and our productivity is way up compared to when the DCI contracts were written. As Bar and ACL have pointed out there are several other costs associated with DCI that is making them more expensive and making us more attractive. When the cost of our contract for that segment is a better deal than DCI, then we will have it.

Yeah, tell me about it. Those "me, me, me" guys suck.

I think you are right. Or, at least I hope you are; (that we are up against our 70+ sea limit). But, the bar and limit keeps getting changed so much I can't keep up with it. That's the problem. Whatever the case, I would love to see more airplanes, and thus more pilots, on property. Believe me, we will fix the pay.

Unless the DCI carriers have pilots willing to work for less than minimum wage, your suggestion would be fair enough. I think we all know....

That would be true if DCI could get new hires on the large jets. With the mainline career going in the toilet, many RJ pilots said, "No way," to a job at a major making these companies really expensive. The groups are a lot more senior than a few years ago, and those guys are the ones flying the 76 seat jets. Not the 25 y/o with frosted hair. Cripes, they have guys do retirement flights on the 76 seat jet.

B scale was Bob Crandall's idea at American. It started in the early 80's after deregulation. To say that current pilots jumped at it is not accurate. United guys went on strike to try to stop it. There wasn't one at either Delta or Northwest until both companies threatened bankruptcy. Yes, all three groups eventually allowed it to happen, but neither group "jumped" at the opportunity. The Northwest strike in 98 was mostly about getting rid of the B scale.

Who were those men with, ahhh... fortitude. And where did they go? :rolleyes:

ACL65: Told you so ... .
The injunction was a very strong indicator and now Mesa has won, again, in the Appellate jurisdiction. Tell your sis to watch out for old trial guys with worn out brief bags, we're smarter than we look.

This is bad news for Delta's unilateral ability to restructure DCI and bad news for us as it adds pressure to work out 2 for 1 deals and other agreements which give Delta flying away to achieve DCI changes by mutual agreement with the vendors.

Mesa stick might be worth a day trade tomorrow, although this is just arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. RJET netted 64% last week. The savy computer traders will surely jump on this tidbit in the morning. The deal will be that the stock is low low to begin with. Already up 30% in after hours trading.

Bar;
Fact is that Mesa will be gone in three years tops.

We have discussed this, and Whitehurst killed DAL's case, plain and simple.
As for the other DCI agreements, they start tapering in a few years. The 50 seat flying will go away either way. The 76 seat flying is capped, and if we sell it we are just pain stupid. I do not care what the carrot is this time.
If we can not learn from how bad we got slapped in the last decade, we deserve everything we have coming. What is the saying,? "Screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me."