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acl65pilot 07-01-2009 06:59 AM

Exactly, but as always I will post what I am told.

acl65pilot 07-01-2009 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 637880)
What are the details of this 100 seat plan as you know it? Understand this was discussed at the C44 meeting as well. My Reps have heard nothing.

It was stated as I posted, no details have been made public. (For obvious reasons)

johnso29 07-01-2009 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 637661)
Not Myopic. If an E-195 can replace a DC-9, then pay it at DC-9 rates. Don't really give a Rats A** about someone not yet hired at DAL. Concerned that a DC-9 is parked and that pilot is paid 18-22% less to fly the same range, speed, payload airplane:mad:


How about the all the junior pilots on property that would LOSE THEIR JOBS as a result of not capturing the E195 @ mainline?!? Unbelievable! :mad:

hockeypilot44 07-01-2009 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 637674)
Friend...who's talking about outsorcing 100 seat jet flying? I'm saying if you want to replace the DC-9 with E-195 then pay DC-9 rates. Hell I won't be flying that E-195, but you will. Do you realy want to fly that for a 20% discount? If you do, ya need a drug test...........

It's better than flying it at Compass or being furloughed. Do you want to outsource it to Republic where their first officers top out at $37/hour and their captains make mid $70's with no work rules? Like Republic, we should not have put such low 195 rates in the contract if we are not willing to fly it for that. We can always fix the low pay rate next contract. You won't have to fly it anyway.

tsquare 07-01-2009 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 637729)
I'm sick and tired of senior pilots thinking it's alright to just let the narrow body flying go away.

What pilot.. senior or not really believes this? Or is this just venting on your part?:confused:

Dash8widget 07-01-2009 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 637739)
Can you explain this thought process? First, I dont see BB selling his E175s. Second, Compass is maxed on airplanes. I don't even thInk this rumor is possible with our current PWA & LOAs.

I could be wrong but I don't think that Compass is maxed out on airplanes - They ARE maxed out on the heavier 175's but I don't think there are limits on the total number of planes they can have (outside the overall scope limits). So - they could buy the RAH 175's as long as they were operated at the lower weight limits, right?

I say bring them over to CPS - it's just that many more seats covered by the flow agreement.

Eric Stratton 07-01-2009 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 637900)
It's better than flying it at Compass or being furloughed. Do you want to outsource it to Republic where their first officers top out at $37/hour and their captains make mid $70's with no work rules? Like Republic, we should not have put such low 195 rates in the contract if we are not willing to fly it for that. We can always fix the low pay rate next contract. You won't have to fly it anyway.

I don't think he is for outsourcing that airplane. Some people on here seem to be pulling for the 195 to replace the dc9 at mainline. Why in the world would you want to replace the dc9 with a similar sized airplane that pays 20% less. That is just the dumbest things I have seen on here.

Eric Stratton 07-01-2009 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 637890)
How about the all the junior pilots on property that would LOSE THEIR JOBS as a result of not capturing the E195 @ mainline?!? Unbelievable! :mad:

Who says you haven't captured the 195 flying? The regionals haven't captured it because they can't fly it. You've captured/held on to it already. Management just doesn't want to buy it.

tomgoodman 07-01-2009 08:23 AM

Think long-term
 
This is a rerun of the B-scale arguments from 25 years ago. Is it better to get the airplanes and fix the rates later, or stand on principle lest all rates be pulled down? Management said they wouldn't hire without a B-scale, but some thought they were bluffing. We never found out, because a B-scale was agreed to and the rates were fixed later. Despite this fairly benign outcome, hard feelings persisted for a long time, and those "not yet hired" eventually became the majority.

Eric Stratton 07-01-2009 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 637921)
What pilot.. senior or not really believes this? Or is this just venting on your part?:confused:

Any pilot that has voted yes for a contract that had scope relief is OK with it. They may complain about it but when push came to shove, if they voted yes, then they really didn't care all that much.


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