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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 627710)

Wow. If that happens, that would be incredible. We North guys have known for some time that our staffing was skinnier than the South side. The North side was given no credit for that in the SLI, because the arbitration team didn't think that would be fair. Now you say there's a possibility that the relative "heaviness" on the South side could be "balanced" by shifting North flying to the South so that we could furlough from the pre-merger lists in order to better "balance" the furloughs.

Actually there is no difference in staffing formulas. Right now Delta is flying at 82 ALV for the most part and Northwest is flying at 80 hour monthly max which equates to a 75-76 ALV on average. When you add in 250-300 freighter pilots displacing, the North is overstaffed to a great degree. The South will be overstaffed, albeit to a lesser degree, when the fall pulldown occurs.

That being said, it is a moot point. Any furlough after SOC will be in inverse seniority order. Period. They can shift flying all they want but that doesn't really matter. So anyone can try to arbitrate that, but the answer is pretty clear, it will be done per the contract.

If they are going to furlough prior to SOC, then they better get real busy with the displacements real quick. One area they are short or right staffed is in MD-88 and DC-9 F/O's. If they start furloughing without the displacements, they will have to sit airplanes down quickly. The smaller narrowbodies are the planes they want flying right now to keep capacity down.

The PRIP will be done in August. If they hang a bid right then it will close in September. If they start training in October, they will not be able to really move a lot of pilots back into position until mid November to early December. The timeline just doesn't seem to indicate an ability to furlough prior to SOC.

That said, I don't think they are going to furlough, unless some other big event occurs or if the economy fails to turn in 2010.

Just curious to some of you that seem to have good info, is there been any talk of using tools to mitigate a furlough? Such as lowering block time, temporary LOAs, etc... It just seems expensive to furlough 150-200 guys for the fall, giving the cost of the flow-down to cpz.

Hey ACL...

If..

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 626552)

The summer 2010 sked has not been cut yet..

Then how do you know that...

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 626552)

They can run the summer 2010 sked with 150 less guys that is it.

:confused:

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 627766)

Well, we are in this together now. A week ago it was anticipated 747 displacements and now it is anticipated 767 displacements. On Virginia Avenue they aren't thinking North or South, they are matching capacity to demand and revenue. In their opinion, our job is to complete the mission, where ever it happens to be on whatever they need to fly. They expect us to do that job and have neither the inclination to hear our concerns about out personal problems, nor a sympathetic ear.

We made the deal and we voted on it. It is what it is. Time for us to get up at the crack of dawn, get the airplane ready to go and fly the thing. Here comes the real work of the merger.

I don't disagree, but none of what you've said is the point. The point is: what would you think if management shifted North flying to the South side in order to "balance out" the furloughs?

Carl

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 627915)

Any furlough after SOC will be in inverse seniority order. Period. They can shift flying all they want but that doesn't really matter.

I don't disagree. I'm talking about a furlough BEFORE SOC. ACL posted a thinking out loud comment that stated maybe management could shift North flying to the South side in order to balance out furloughs. He said that just seemed to "make sense." What would be your thoughts if that were to happen?

Carl

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 627510)

Well then, lets start a "Top Ten... uses for removed RJ Seats"

(1) Federal Aviation Regulation Part 25 rated child seats
(2) Tax write off
(3) Simulator for seats mounted 1 foot above the window opening
(4) Home theater seats for Ethiopians
(5) Life vest holder
(6) Replacement seats for roller coasters
(7) Side cars for Vespa scooters, as equipped with castering shopping cart wheels
(8) Waiting room chairs for OBama's health care services
(9) Upgrade interior for Yugo Sport model
(10) Device to assist in retrieving information from persons of interest who have shown resistance to waterboarding

help me out here .....

You don't need any help since you already have ten.... but I thnk landfill volumizer should be in there somewhere... :D

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 627636)

Everything is oversold. The problem is we are practically giving the seats away.

Yup... check THIS out... this is a ROUND TRIP FARE!!!

Sorry the link won't go to what I searched... MCO to SYD... $867.91 including tax... round trip.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 627915)

If they are going to furlough prior to SOC, then they better get real busy with the displacements real quick. One area they are short or right staffed is in MD-88 and DC-9 F/O's. If they start furloughing without the displacements, they will have to sit airplanes down quickly. The smaller narrowbodies are the planes they want flying right now to keep capacity down.

Not to disagree with your broader point, but I have never seen the North side as fat-staffed on DC-9 FO's going into summer as they are now....the reserve list is longer, and open time is shorter than it has ever been. Of course, a couple of good thunderstorms or other events, and it's all beans on the floor...

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 627936)

If they furlough prior to SOC it will be a goat rope.

At least I got to see the Red Wings lose the Stanley Cup last night. That was great. :) :) :)