Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-29-2012, 03:20 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Originally Posted by tripled
Well from one who spends a lot of time talking to young qualified pilots who have their eye on the commercial carriers, FX is certainly the big kid on the block in their minds. They see 2 things that the legacies don't offer: dollar billz and 'job security' in the freight business model. The million dollar question is how perishable both are over time when seniority isn't. the other unkown is why FX wasn't the top ticket pre-911. Uneducated guess: most Jr DAL guys will wait until the next contract and then bail if it's bad.
None of us tool our own advice but it's easy to see how the freight business seems far more stable and profitable. I know, I know, there's no money in freight if we do it. Now if AF does it out of ATL for us that's fine. It's like the E-Jets, they suck if we fly them but they order them like mad for someone else to fly.
Also, it's not lost on people that 17 years at FedEx means you can be an MD11 LCA. What does 17 years buy you at DAL, AMR, UsAiR, the United side of UCAL?
03-29-2012, 03:56 AM
No longer cares
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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed
My app is in with FEDEX. 4 years at DAL thus far. I'll go where my skills are appreciated. It's just business.
03-29-2012, 04:10 AM
At home on the maddog!
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Originally Posted by tsquare
appreciated?
03-29-2012, 04:20 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I don't know which ones iaflyer was talking about, probably the NW Freighters, but I was talking about the DL 747's from the 1970's, and as I said, it was before my time. I did fly with a MD 11 Capt. who had been an engineer on the DL 747's back in the day.
He said everyone called them the "Non-Rev Specials" because there were ALWAYS plenty of empty seats! Ahhh...those where the days! When I was in new hire training (1985), Hollis Harris told us the DL Break even Load Factor was about 65%, and the average load factor was 69%. What is our average load factor today, about 85%?
He said everyone called them the "Non-Rev Specials" because there were ALWAYS plenty of empty seats! Ahhh...those where the days! When I was in new hire training (1985), Hollis Harris told us the DL Break even Load Factor was about 65%, and the average load factor was 69%. What is our average load factor today, about 85%?
100% when you're trying to non-rev!
03-29-2012, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
It's common in our society to compensate people appropriately. Compensating them less than appropriately equates to a lack of appreciation. So does outsourcing their job to someone with far less qualifications. What do you not understand about that?
Show me the money. That's how corporations "value" their employees.
Can substitute appreciate for value.
03-29-2012, 04:31 AM
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Say it ain't so:
Southwest raises airfares; Delta, American, United follow
By Nancy Trejos, USA TODAY
Southwest raises airfares; Delta, American, United follow
Southwest raises airfares; Delta, American, United follow
By Nancy Trejos, USA TODAY
Southwest raises airfares; Delta, American, United follow
03-29-2012, 04:39 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
wait, are you guys talking about the NWA 747s or the PMDAL 747s parked in the 1970s? because if its the latter, ia, you old. 
This:
became this:
which I did fly... just a few years ago. I'm not that old! Or at least I don't think I am. ;-)
03-29-2012, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I got about a third of the way through it and gave up. What a waste of time! I've got zombies to kill on the xbox.
03-29-2012, 05:17 AM
Sho me da money!
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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed
My app is in with FEDEX. 4 years at DAL thus far. I'll go where my skills are appreciated. It's just business.
Just sayin.........
03-29-2012, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
I am not sure. I was offered and put into the UPS pool same day I was hired at MA Delta. Granted UPS has relationship issues and a very good pay, but this business is too cyclical. FedEx will have its cycle too, SouthWest is.... etc. I will have to seriously look at the options if and when UPS ever calls, for one thing I owe it to my family not to start all over again for first year pay. Second year looks great on paper, but that is just pay and QOL is always a gamble. So for now I will just forget about the Jones' and just get the best QOL and live very happily with in my means. That is freedom and QOL. IMHO.
Just sayin.........
Just sayin.........
Its like all the advice of "would you choose X over Y." You do not have a decision until the offer comes. I have been faced with the same sort of decisions and I am still here. Does that make me a loser?
In the end, it is up to the individual. If you live within your means and you are happy in your own skin, any path chosen will probably be okay. If you don't live within your means and you can't be happy with your path in life, no employer will make you happy.
Money is great. Excess money gives peace of mind. Happiness comes from within. Your fortune cookie moment of zen.
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