Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-29-2012, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I think fedex only outsources with caravans.
Emirates outsources with some acmi's for the haj.
Emirates outsources with some acmi's for the haj.
That's Morningstar Air Cargo. Atlas does quite a bit of Emirates flying year round.
03-29-2012, 10:50 AM
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There seems to be a few folks on this forum that have quality information, or maybe not. I've heard the Roger statistic of how SWA is 11% ahead of us, and the explantation. I did a little research using Form 41 data from the DOT. Here's what I found:
Average 2010 Wages and Salaries
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm
Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573
Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.
It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.
From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
Average 2010 Wages and Salaries
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm
Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573
Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.
It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.
From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
03-29-2012, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Going2Baja
Aren't announcements usually made on Friday's? We will see....
Baja.
Baja.
Or that's why White Houses do no matter who's in charge.
03-29-2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
In regards to outsourcing- ahem, FedEx does it, too:
FedEx Express... Connection?
Oh, and Emirates seems to do the outsourcing thing as well with even bigger jets:
FedEx Express... Connection?
Oh, and Emirates seems to do the outsourcing thing as well with even bigger jets:
03-29-2012, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
There seems to be a few folks on this forum that have quality information, or maybe not. I've heard the Roger statistic of how SWA is 11% ahead of us, and the explantation. I did a little research using Form 41 data from the DOT. Here's what I found:
Average 2010 Wages and Salaries
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm
Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573
Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.
It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.
From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
Average 2010 Wages and Salaries
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm
Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573
Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.
It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.
From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
03-29-2012, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Those young whipper snappers are probably saying the same thing me and my flight school buddies were saying in the late 90s; how many $20 envelopes can you put in a 767 verses $200 passengers?
None of us tool our own advice but it's easy to see how the freight business seems far more stable and profitable. I know, I know, there's no money in freight if we do it. Now if AF does it out of ATL for us that's fine. It's like the E-Jets, they suck if we fly them but they order them like mad for someone else to fly.
Also, it's not lost on people that 17 years at FedEx means you can be an MD11 LCA. What does 17 years buy you at DAL, AMR, UsAiR, the United side of UCAL?
None of us tool our own advice but it's easy to see how the freight business seems far more stable and profitable. I know, I know, there's no money in freight if we do it. Now if AF does it out of ATL for us that's fine. It's like the E-Jets, they suck if we fly them but they order them like mad for someone else to fly.
Also, it's not lost on people that 17 years at FedEx means you can be an MD11 LCA. What does 17 years buy you at DAL, AMR, UsAiR, the United side of UCAL?
03-29-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I think you fire people on Fridays, you document dump Friday night and if you're some sort of freak with good news you do it Tuesday.
Or that's why White Houses do no matter who's in charge.
Or that's why White Houses do no matter who's in charge.
03-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Check out the tail number on that 727. That's Morningstar Air Cargo.
Atlas does quite a bit of Emirates flying year round.
That's Morningstar Air Cargo. Atlas does quite a bit of Emirates flying year round.
03-29-2012, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
There seems to be a few folks on this forum that have quality information, or maybe not. I've heard the Roger statistic of how SWA is 11% ahead of us, and the explantation. I did a little research using Form 41 data from the DOT. Here's what I found:
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
03-29-2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
There seems to be a few folks on this forum that have quality information, or maybe not. I've heard the Roger statistic of how SWA is 11% ahead of us, and the explantation. I did a little research using Form 41 data from the DOT. Here's what I found:
Average 2010 Wages and Salaries
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm
Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573
Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.
It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.
From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
Average 2010 Wages and Salaries
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm
Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573
Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm
Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000
So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.
It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.
From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).
I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?
Ps....our 88/90 holds more pax than their 73s.
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