Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-07-2012, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Sigh...again not true. It was done in 2010 and done again in January of this year in preparation for openers.
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04-07-2012, 02:31 PM
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04-07-2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
That bar has moved significantly, but we can't even get the MEC to study the question. They don't want to examine the economics as they CURRENTLY exist.
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
04-07-2012, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Sigh...again not true. It was done in 2010 and done again in January of this year in preparation for openers.
Andy why are you "sighing" in frustration? You have the chutzpah to talk down to us because we didn't hear about and haven't seen the results of a pretty darn important study (accomplished using our money)? Wow. So I guess we should just take your word as to what the study indicated.
DALPA arrogance reaches a new low.
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04-07-2012, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Sigh...again not true. It was done in 2010 and done again in January of this year in preparation for openers.
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04-07-2012, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Wow! You surprised me. I did not expect to be in agreement with your response.
The question really is HOW?
Since the company owns the seniority list and since DALPA is tied to ALPA merger policy...
The question really is HOW?
Since the company owns the seniority list and since DALPA is tied to ALPA merger policy...
Guys,
Its really not that hard.
1. First stop with all the "He is senior he does not care about us/scope."
It does no good and divides us.
2. Hold the line where it is - 255 large RJs. Any more are flown by DAL Pilots.
3. $143/ Hour and $97/hour. That is the payrate that JetBlue pays on the E-190. We match that and maybe add a few bucks and it is an entry level Captain and FO seat.
4. If the company can't make a profit at that rate. TS. Figure it out or get new management that can. If Jetblue can get by with that rate then we can.
5. Furthermore lets slowly start raising the bar like ALPA and DALPA have been saying for years. I must admit I have not really thought this out fully yet, but if we match Jetblues rates hopefully other carriers will match us (pattern bargaining) and who knows, the 1500 hour rule (despite ALPAs efforts to water it down) might actually help us slowly raise industry rates.
If ALPA even asks us to allow more 70/76 seaters at DCI then they are not serious about raising the bar throughout the industry - in fact they would be impeding it by allowing DCI to keep compensation low. If and when this happens ( I hope it doesn't) it would be time to take a good hard look in the DPAs direction.
But the most important point - hold the large RJ limit where it is now - 255!
When you find yourself in a hole - stop digging.
Delta can fly as many 76 jets as they want - tomorrow! As long as they are flown by Delta Pilots.
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04-07-2012, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
if we match Jetblues rates
That's "raising the bar?"We're going need a heck of a lot better than JB on rates, work rules, etc.
SWA is the comparison. Not JB.
04-07-2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
Jetblue rates? Seriously? That's "raising the bar?"
We're going need a heck of a lot better than JB on rates, work rules, etc.
SWA is the comparison. Not JB.
That's "raising the bar?"We're going need a heck of a lot better than JB on rates, work rules, etc.
SWA is the comparison. Not JB.
We match Jetblues E-190 rate. Southwest does not fly them, and does not have E-190 rates.
And it is just a start. Lets get the Jets in house.
Or we can keep outsourcing to DCI.
Then again whats your plan?
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04-07-2012, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
Jetblue rates? Seriously? That's "raising the bar?"
We're going need a heck of a lot better than JB on rates, work rules, etc.
SWA is the comparison. Not JB.
That's "raising the bar?"We're going need a heck of a lot better than JB on rates, work rules, etc.
SWA is the comparison. Not JB.
04-07-2012, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Sigh...again not true. It was done in 2010 and done again in January of this year in preparation for openers.
It appears the only ones singing from the old hymnal are you and Bar...
It appears the only ones singing from the old hymnal are you and Bar...
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