Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-07-2012 | 12:19 PM
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Exactly, The big point missed in all the talk about DCI is that you can only bring the flying back in house if you can do it within a few percentage points of the costs at the regional carriers. If you can't the entire process is doomed to fail and you lose not only those jobs but the feed. Its a fine line about where you can make the cost issue work. I think it was crossed with the E-170/175. The company would disagree. Regardless if your going to convince the company to bring that flying back you have to produce a solid economic plan on cost and how you will equal the current regionals. There is a reason why all the airline managements fight the unions tooth and nail on this issue and its not that they hate pilots. Its cost pure and simple.
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
04-07-2012 | 12:23 PM
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That bar has moved significantly, but we can't even get the MEC to study the question. They don't want to examine the economics as they CURRENTLY exist.
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
04-07-2012 | 12:58 PM
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That bar has moved significantly, but we can't even get the MEC to study the question. They don't want to examine the economics as they CURRENTLY exist.
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
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04-07-2012 | 01:05 PM
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And that's why the 76 seater is going to die on the vine, we don't need to 'trade' anything to recapture that flying, it will have to come to us (or to a 100 seater, and right now, WE own that flying) as fuel prices go up and the minimum wage pilot supply goes down, if we hold the line at 76 seats.
Which is why I feel we only need to enforce what we have today, re. 76 seat scope, certainly not give another inch, airframe or seat, and instead focus on all the other Code Sharing and JV's, which are taking our Big Airplane flying away.
Like I said earlier, If they do want to get a single additional 76 seater, it should cost them an additional wide body, added to the fleet, not just as a replacement, but an increased number of widebodies, and then if that fleet goes down, so do the RJ's, 1 for 1.
T, as far as the longevity pay, I think that issue will finally gain support, as soon as Management starts parking the biggest airplanes and the most senior guys get displaced to a pay cut. But it's a long way off yet.
I'd vote for it, but most guys I fly with wouldn't. We all know the hardest working pilots at DL are the MD88 F/O's!
Which is why I feel we only need to enforce what we have today, re. 76 seat scope, certainly not give another inch, airframe or seat, and instead focus on all the other Code Sharing and JV's, which are taking our Big Airplane flying away.
Like I said earlier, If they do want to get a single additional 76 seater, it should cost them an additional wide body, added to the fleet, not just as a replacement, but an increased number of widebodies, and then if that fleet goes down, so do the RJ's, 1 for 1.
T, as far as the longevity pay, I think that issue will finally gain support, as soon as Management starts parking the biggest airplanes and the most senior guys get displaced to a pay cut. But it's a long way off yet.
I'd vote for it, but most guys I fly with wouldn't. We all know the hardest working pilots at DL are the MD88 F/O's!
04-07-2012 | 01:14 PM
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That bar has moved significantly, but we can't even get the MEC to study the question. They don't want to examine the economics as they CURRENTLY exist.
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
Great post Nu!
04-07-2012 | 01:23 PM
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04-07-2012 | 01:56 PM
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04-07-2012 | 02:31 PM
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04-07-2012 | 02:49 PM
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That bar has moved significantly, but we can't even get the MEC to study the question. They don't want to examine the economics as they CURRENTLY exist.
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
The game of the next 24 months is not that of the last 24, nor the 10 years before that. FTDT will ravage the regionals, because their bag of scheduling tricks, like scheduled reduced rest and 16 hour duty days, are going out the window.
Their ONLY way to mitigate crew costs is to reduce pay and benefits. Yet they already find it VERY difficult to recruit people to work for their bottom basement wages...and yet here comes the 1,500 hour rule to haunt their dreams.
The game has changed. The only one singing from the old hymnal seems to be DALPA.
Nu
04-07-2012 | 02:51 PM
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Andy why are you "sighing" in frustration? You have the chutzpah to talk down to us because we didn't hear about and haven't seen the results of a pretty darn important study (accomplished using our money)? Wow. So I guess we should just take your word as to what the study indicated.
DALPA arrogance reaches a new low.
Last edited by More Bacon; 04-07-2012 at 03:23 PM.
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