Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-29-2012, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
A SID to an ILS. You want something more? As the pavement approaches, gently raise the nose.
If you do a lot of approaches to the same runway, you can shorten your briefing to "do you have any questions?"
If you do a lot of approaches to the same runway, you can shorten your briefing to "do you have any questions?"
I can totally understand why someone would get tired of having to do all the ATL legs on a trip. As a Captain, I have almost always done the first leg and then suggested that we do two at a time after that. Most F/O's seem to appreciate it. The trip I'm on right now has a deadhead leg right in the middle... so we're just alternating. The F/O ends up being the ATL guy for the first half of the trip and then I'm the ATL guy for the second half. That works too.
03-29-2012, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
It must have been a while since you've done domestic MD-88 type flying. There's a lot of difference between being spoon-fed headings, altitudes, and airspeeds coming into ATL and being able plan your own descent and fly an energy management, efficient approach into someplace like SAV for example. There's also the occasional fun of flying something like the River Visual into DCA.
I can totally understand why someone would get tired of having to do all the ATL legs on a trip. As a Captain, I have almost always done the first leg and then suggested that we do two at a time after that. Most F/O's seem to appreciate it. The trip I'm on right now has a deadhead leg right in the middle... so we're just alternating. The F/O ends up being the ATL guy for the first half of the trip and then I'm the ATL guy for the second half. That works too.
I can totally understand why someone would get tired of having to do all the ATL legs on a trip. As a Captain, I have almost always done the first leg and then suggested that we do two at a time after that. Most F/O's seem to appreciate it. The trip I'm on right now has a deadhead leg right in the middle... so we're just alternating. The F/O ends up being the ATL guy for the first half of the trip and then I'm the ATL guy for the second half. That works too.
03-29-2012, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
2001 since my last domestic trip at DAL...of my career.
03-29-2012, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The numbers posted on most sites are total pilot costs. That means that while the average pilot might only need 11 percent with the difference in the average fleet sizes it would take a larger raise to reach parity with SWA. There are a lot of ways to look at the data.
There is a lot going on at the moment. It looks like we might well have a contract to vote on in the near term. I suspect however its not going to be what most pilots like. The question however becomes what strategy puts the most money in your pocket. We take a 3 or 4 year contract now or enter the traditional section 6 process and take 4 or 5 years to produce a contract. Each pilot will have to decide for himself which option is better for his family.
There is a lot going on at the moment. It looks like we might well have a contract to vote on in the near term. I suspect however its not going to be what most pilots like. The question however becomes what strategy puts the most money in your pocket. We take a 3 or 4 year contract now or enter the traditional section 6 process and take 4 or 5 years to produce a contract. Each pilot will have to decide for himself which option is better for his family.
03-29-2012, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Wish I could say that.......
03-29-2012, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
........There is a lot going on at the moment. It looks like we might well have a contract to vote on in the near term. I suspect however its not going to be what most pilots like. The question however becomes what strategy puts the most money in your pocket. We take a 3 or 4 year contract now or enter the traditional section 6 process and take 4 or 5 years to produce a contract. Each pilot will have to decide for himself which option is better for his family.
It's a complex document, but less money but a quick deal would have to mean a shorter duration with much larger "variable compensation" (profit sharing). Plus lots of the stuff we want scope-wise. I can wait if the TVM doesn't calculate to be worth it.
03-29-2012, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
If it is not on par with what the pilots have stated as their minimums via the survey and Wilson Polling, I do not expect my MEC reps to put it out for a vote. If this organization is "bottom up" driven, sending out an inadequate TA would be hypocritical.
It's a complex document, but less money but a quick deal would have to mean a shorter duration with much larger "variable compensation" (profit sharing). Plus lots of the stuff we want scope-wise. I can wait if the TVM doesn't calculate to be worth it.
It's a complex document, but less money but a quick deal would have to mean a shorter duration with much larger "variable compensation" (profit sharing). Plus lots of the stuff we want scope-wise. I can wait if the TVM doesn't calculate to be worth it.
"So you want a 2 year deal and you promise in 2 years that ABC will happen? Okay, put it in writing that in 2 years if A, B and C haven't happened then we get XYZ."
It's like snap backs in contracts. Give a concession, ensure a snap back in case the economy goes gangbusters. Don't give a 4 year concessionary deal because the economy is bad now because normally in 1 year it'll be great but in 3 it'll be headed back down again and then get ready for: oh no, I'm sorry guys, we made lots of money these past three years but we can't sign a good contract in this pending economy!? Thanks for being understanding, like we say, Continental pil... I mean any generic pilot group is the best!
03-29-2012, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
It would be a pretty boring world if we all liked the same things. I don't ever want to fly international.
03-29-2012, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I'm with you 88. Got that stuff outta my system a long time ago.
Carl
03-30-2012, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I agree and to me that's the thing, what strategy puts the most money in the pocket? I hate to say this because it's obvious but the best strategy is to have it written down on paper.
"So you want a 2 year deal and you promise in 2 years that ABC will happen? Okay, put it in writing that in 2 years if A, B and C haven't happened then we get XYZ."
It's like snap backs in contracts. Give a concession, ensure a snap back in case the economy goes gangbusters. Don't give a 4 year concessionary deal because the economy is bad now because normally in 1 year it'll be great but in 3 it'll be headed back down again and then get ready for: oh no, I'm sorry guys, we made lots of money these past three years but we can't sign a good contract in this pending economy!? Thanks for being understanding, like we say, Continental pil... I mean any generic pilot group is the best!
"So you want a 2 year deal and you promise in 2 years that ABC will happen? Okay, put it in writing that in 2 years if A, B and C haven't happened then we get XYZ."
It's like snap backs in contracts. Give a concession, ensure a snap back in case the economy goes gangbusters. Don't give a 4 year concessionary deal because the economy is bad now because normally in 1 year it'll be great but in 3 it'll be headed back down again and then get ready for: oh no, I'm sorry guys, we made lots of money these past three years but we can't sign a good contract in this pending economy!? Thanks for being understanding, like we say, Continental pil... I mean any generic pilot group is the best!
Everyone should review the history of contract negotiations over the last 10 years with pilot groups. You may need that knowledge to make a choice soon. I will still be surprised if they reach a accelerated agreement because the gulf between both sides I suspect is grand canyon sized. The union knows that they have the support of the pilot group in search of massive improvements. The company knows they can exploit the process to keep us working under the current agreement for at least 4 years and probably longer based on history.
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