Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-21-2012 | 03:22 PM
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03-21-2012 | 03:27 PM
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ACL,
I know it's speculation, but that's an absolute non-starter with me. We shouldn't have one 76 seat jet at DCI but thanks to Lee Moak's "proactive engagement strategy" we have up to 153 (IIRC) 76 seat jets and a hard cap of 255 70+ seat RJs.
Now you want to let the company have another 100 70+ seat RJ's so we can fix what ALPA's buffoon lawyers screwed up the first time and you want to trust those same idiots again???? NFW
I don't remember which forum member has as his tag line something like "Not one more pound, not one more seat, and not one more jet". That sums up my feelings very well.
Years ago Delta had a relatively small fleet of MD-11s which the company signed long term leases on. Maybe ten years later they decided it was cheaper to park the aircraft and pay the leases than continue to operate the airplanes at a loss, and they did exactly that.
If the contracts management entered into with various DCI carriers to operate 50 seat RJs (described as "self financing" by the infamous Fred Reid) are now money losers I'm not going to take it in the shorts to subsidize (once again) a poor decision on management's part.
I know it's speculation, but that's an absolute non-starter with me. We shouldn't have one 76 seat jet at DCI but thanks to Lee Moak's "proactive engagement strategy" we have up to 153 (IIRC) 76 seat jets and a hard cap of 255 70+ seat RJs.
Now you want to let the company have another 100 70+ seat RJ's so we can fix what ALPA's buffoon lawyers screwed up the first time and you want to trust those same idiots again???? NFW
I don't remember which forum member has as his tag line something like "Not one more pound, not one more seat, and not one more jet". That sums up my feelings very well.
Years ago Delta had a relatively small fleet of MD-11s which the company signed long term leases on. Maybe ten years later they decided it was cheaper to park the aircraft and pay the leases than continue to operate the airplanes at a loss, and they did exactly that.
If the contracts management entered into with various DCI carriers to operate 50 seat RJs (described as "self financing" by the infamous Fred Reid) are now money losers I'm not going to take it in the shorts to subsidize (once again) a poor decision on management's part.
Carl
03-21-2012 | 03:32 PM
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Let your reps know that. What we hear and see now, even the rumors on the DALPA forum and on here are just that, rumors. The final deal will look a lot different than what we see today. It could take a long time, we just have to be patient with the process. There is a lot of balls in the air. Time to watch and see where they land.
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03-21-2012 | 03:40 PM
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Your statement is partially correct. Malone allowed the EMB170/175 at DCI. Malone raised the weight limit in LOA 46. Prior to that the jet was in excess of the weight limit. Moak allowed them to put 6 more seats in the jets during the 1113 process. They were already on the property flying for DCI before Moak even became the MEC chairman. Once before the court it was highly unlikely that they would have restricted the seats in those aircraft. We lost the battle in LOA 46. I personally spoke with Malone about the gross weight increase and what a huge mistake it would be. He insisted it was needed and that we could not economically fly that jet at the mainline. Now he is in the running to lead DPA.
Yup...who wouldn't want to be part of an organization like that.
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03-21-2012 | 03:44 PM
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Heard the same from an ALPA rep who was there during the " original doughnut visit."
Just helping recruit and offer rebuttal to some of the exchanges.
The one that DALPA should be concerned with eventually leading the DPA is one they marginalized and removed from their own ranks recently. Probably one of the smartest guys to ever volunteer.
KW.
Instant credibility if he is the leader as it has been suggested that he is being groomed for that position.
Also, they (doughnuts) might have retained Terry Erskine as his non compete just expired. Interesting if they did.
The dots, as folks like to say around here, seem to be alliging toward having an experienced and competent team ready to go if DALPA chokes on this TA.
Just helping recruit and offer rebuttal to some of the exchanges.
The one that DALPA should be concerned with eventually leading the DPA is one they marginalized and removed from their own ranks recently. Probably one of the smartest guys to ever volunteer.
KW.
Instant credibility if he is the leader as it has been suggested that he is being groomed for that position.
Also, they (doughnuts) might have retained Terry Erskine as his non compete just expired. Interesting if they did.
The dots, as folks like to say around here, seem to be alliging toward having an experienced and competent team ready to go if DALPA chokes on this TA.
Carl
03-21-2012 | 04:35 PM
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03-21-2012 | 04:38 PM
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Uh, we don't see anything today acl. Nothing but a concept that could mean anything. Exactly the worst case scenario that could have happened because it will allow for the scare tactics to start the second the TA is released for a vote. Until then, we'll know nothing.
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Right you are on the first half. We know nothing and were given what they company saw. I am sure they are well beyond that as the are apparently meeting all week. What we hear/see now is what I am referring to. Even if there is a TA, until our Reps agree to send it to pilot vote it really means nothing as well. They have specific goals, and anything short will be a non-starter for the group as a whole.
As for scare tactics, I dunno about you but I akin our current section 1 to a piece of Swiss cheeses. I want all of that cleaned up, and not marginally but significantly. The rest of the PWA means very little if you are not working under it. I will wait and see what they deliver then decide to support it with reason based arguments or talk against it with the same reason based approach. It has to do more than kick the can down the field, it needs to get us what we want in many areas, some of which are non-negotiable for me.
I will just sit back and wait to see what is delivered. We have a good NC team and good reps working on our behalf. They know the score and know what is at stake.
03-21-2012 | 04:49 PM
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Does anyone know how the new LOA works in regards to er guys and TOE? From what I understand, after domestic OE, now you can be assigned reserve trips or pick up open time, as long as they are domestic. But, I heard if you are on reserve, you can't be assigned short call, because you can't fly international. Is that true?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
03-21-2012 | 05:00 PM
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The one that DALPA should be concerned with eventually leading the DPA is one they marginalized and removed from their own ranks recently. Probably one of the smartest guys to ever volunteer.
KW.
Instant credibility if he is the leader as it has been suggested that he is being groomed for that position.
KW.
Instant credibility if he is the leader as it has been suggested that he is being groomed for that position.
03-21-2012 | 05:41 PM
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Agreed, and he is also a loyal ALPA volunteer who believes despite its warts, ALPA is our best prospect for better careers and representation. The thought of DPA supporters "grooming" Ken is laughable.
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