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Old 04-17-2012, 06:04 AM
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I agree and have done the same up until the last year(divorce court ordered 50% paycut). That hopefully ends soon and back to buying the first 4. If anymore than that it's the FOs turn


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I think it is a matter of degree. Buy the probationary folks everything, buy the beer for the narrowbody FOs below 5-6 years seniority, Int'l buy the first round.

At least thats been more or less my observation.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:15 AM
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Thanks for the download, but still not working with Firefox 11.0.

I can read pdf files if I use the Safari browser, but not with Firefox.
I gave up on Firefox. Had the same prob and spent hours researching and downloading and deleting files. Screw it since safari works with icrew now.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom View Post
Buzz,

I agree with you wrt the base culture concept. I was based in ATL for a number of years as a FO. CAs never did walk arounds, and it was very, very unusual for one to buy beer, much less dinner. That's not to say it never happened but it was very rare, unfortunately even on probation.

Both SLC and LAX were former Western Air Lines bases, and I'm very lucky to have flown with a bunch of former WAL CAs. Almost 100% were a total class act. Great aviators, great CAs, wonderful to fly with, what I'd call "world class guys".

Fortunately the example they set has carried over to the next generation of CAs.
It's been my observation that these types of stereotypes are way over rated. IMO, the overwhelming majority of our fellow DAL pilots are mature, thoughtful, professionals regardless of what base they happen to fly out of.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:19 AM
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Newbie Line question, if you have vacation and your max p/up says 41(because line only worth 47), can you actually pick up that much time?(FAR's and all that satisfied) With getting paid your 21hrs of vacation?
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr View Post
It's been my observation that these types of stereotypes are way over rated. IMO, the overwhelming majority of our fellow DAL pilots are mature, thoughtful, professionals regardless of what base they happen to fly out of.

I think one can be "mature, thoughtful and professional" and also not particularly generous...

The typical former WAL Captains I flew with seemed much more "laid back" than the typical Atlanta "RDs" I flew with. The ATL guys seemed to get wrapped around the axle about relatively trivial stuff, whereas the SLC guys seemed to do a much better job of focusing on the big picture. Over the course of a rotation there was significantly less drama.

Those are just my observations over approximately seven years tenure in both bases.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187 View Post
Newbie Line question, if you have vacation and your max p/up says 41(because line only worth 47), can you actually pick up that much time?(FAR's and all that satisfied) With getting paid your 21hrs of vacation?
In a word, yes.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:00 AM
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If we do get a refinery and we do get the benefits of less expensive fuel, would that benefit also be translated to our regional "partners"? If so I don't see the 50 seater being as dead as projected.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom View Post
I think one can be "mature, thoughtful and professional" and also not particularly generous...

The typical former WAL Captains I flew with seemed much more "laid back" than the typical Atlanta "RDs" I flew with. The ATL guys seemed to get wrapped around the axle about relatively trivial stuff, whereas the SLC guys seemed to do a much better job of focusing on the big picture. Over the course of a rotation there was significantly less drama.

Those are just my observations over approximately seven years tenure in both bases.
That may be true from your observations, but the pilots; Capt and FO's that I have flown with on the 767 et al, have no drama, and only care to get the job done and go home. Yes, that limits small talk for some, but I really could care less, If a guy wants to be quiet, so be it. Many like to talk, and a lot, but drama is not how I would describe any pilot, from any base that I fly with. Ready to get their careers back? Yes. Anal? No. Generous? Not really, but why would they be when their pay has been cut, and they have kids in college and a wife that has never worked? They are trying to keep some semblance of the life they had, and I totally respect that and the fact that they do not choose to pay for my dinner. I would never expect that, and for the some that have offered, it makes me order a cheaper dinner than I would have paid for on my own!
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog View Post
If we do get a refinery and we do get the benefits of less expensive fuel, would that benefit also be translated to our regional "partners"? If so I don't see the 50 seater being as dead as projected.
Who knows, but it I was RA, the last thing I would want to do is subsidize a fleet of airplanes that shoes poorly on the business. They want em gone, and if they can find a way to avoid the penalties in the lease agreements and the DCI air service agreements they will. Does that mean we need to be their shill? Nope, there are many ways do skin this cat.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Who knows, but it I was RA, the last thing I would want to do is subsidize a fleet of airplanes that shoes poorly on the business. They want em gone, and if they can find a way to avoid the penalties in the lease agreements and the DCI air service agreements they will. Does that mean we need to be their shill? Nope, there are many ways to skin this cat.
So you're in the SWA pool too?

Anyway I don't see the savings from a refinery being targeted for certain airframes. We pay the fuel anyway for the DCI carriers and it all comes to us in the over all fuel bill. The closest we could come to doing that would be to not discount fuel at certain (all RJ) stations, but I don't think it will ever become that localized. Even if it was, again, we pay the fuel bill anyway. I see the regionals benefitting from this, but only proportionate to the size of the benefit itself relative to how much fuel they use. It won't be a game changer either way from a mainline vs regional standpoint, but they will benefit from it and the savings will unfortunately help soften their CASM IMO. I can't see it happening any other way.
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