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So you're in the SWA pool too?
Anyway I don't see the savings from a refinery being targeted for certain airframes. We pay the fuel anyway for the DCI carriers and it all comes to us in the over all fuel bill. The closest we could come to doing that would be to not discount fuel at certain (all RJ) stations, but I don't think it will ever become that localized. Even if it was, again, we pay the fuel bill anyway. I see the regionals benefitting from this, but only proportionate to the size of the benefit itself relative to how much fuel they use. It won't be a game changer either way from a mainline vs regional standpoint, but they will benefit from it and the savings will unfortunately help soften their CASM IMO. I can't see it happening any other way.
Anyway I don't see the savings from a refinery being targeted for certain airframes. We pay the fuel anyway for the DCI carriers and it all comes to us in the over all fuel bill. The closest we could come to doing that would be to not discount fuel at certain (all RJ) stations, but I don't think it will ever become that localized. Even if it was, again, we pay the fuel bill anyway. I see the regionals benefitting from this, but only proportionate to the size of the benefit itself relative to how much fuel they use. It won't be a game changer either way from a mainline vs regional standpoint, but they will benefit from it and the savings will unfortunately help soften their CASM IMO. I can't see it happening any other way.
My comment was aimed at dealing with the RJ issue, but first lets look at the refinery. We will see that fuel on the open market. The margin that is paid for that product will effectively zero out the crack spread that we are seeing. However you want to rationalize the books on the refinery, it will allow DAL to zero out about 1.5+ bln a year in expenses. Fuel, RJ, our restorative raises, whatever.
On the RJ issue, there are many ways to get to the end point we all want; DAL flying performed by DAL seniority listed pilots. Forcing the issue, having DAL abandon the CPA's and then pay the penalties is one. Another is a plethora of sunset type of deals where the total RJ count decreases over time, and could possibly be tail number limited. Allowing only half of the jets to be renewed under a new CPA is another. There are many more options to this issue, many of them doable, and all with the ability to pull the flying down without legal exposure to DAL.
On how the refinery helps the RJ's, yes, it could lengthen the bandwidth for DAL parking them. It also would logically take the pressure off of them trying to squeeze more large RJs out of us, and wait for the C-Series as the penalty forgiveness jet. Point is, your are right that it loosens the noose around their necks with regard to to the RJs but the effects of this will be at least a year out. DAL still at this time wants a small RJ solution. Economics are just part of it. I know I would want em gone and use the refinery profit for other things than subsidizing and airframe that cannot efficiently carry our customers.
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...Both SLC and LAX were former Western Air Lines bases, and I'm very lucky to have flown with a bunch of former WAL CAs. Almost 100% were a total class act. Great aviators, great CAs, wonderful to fly with, what I'd call "world class guys".
Fortunately the example they set has carried over to the next generation of CAs.
Fortunately the example they set has carried over to the next generation of CAs.
The base culture in SLC and LAX is awesome and sets a high bar for Delta pilots everywhere. I can't say I've flown with anyone I would not want to fly with again. I strive to uphold that standard. ;-)
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I am sure they want more 70+ seaters to fill the gap, but they are also looking at the 717 or 320 series as a replacement for these jets. The negotiators will deal with this in the way we have demanded. I suspect we will see something definitive on the mainline jets shortly. On top of this DAL has gate constraint issues with the frequency model, and they need to find a way to keep the same amount of seats to a city while reducing frequency.
I've never called for the hotel van in my life. I didn't even know that was a thing that we do.
Regarding the walkaround, 9/10 NY captains do their share. I don't get bent out of shape if the occasional guy is have a "bad knee day." Exercise is good.
Regarding the walkaround, 9/10 NY captains do their share. I don't get bent out of shape if the occasional guy is have a "bad knee day." Exercise is good.
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Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I think one can be "mature, thoughtful and professional" and also not particularly generous...
The typical former WAL Captains I flew with seemed much more "laid back" than the typical Atlanta "RDs" I flew with. The ATL guys seemed to get wrapped around the axle about relatively trivial stuff, whereas the SLC guys seemed to do a much better job of focusing on the big picture. Over the course of a rotation there was significantly less drama.
Those are just my observations over approximately seven years tenure in both bases.
The typical former WAL Captains I flew with seemed much more "laid back" than the typical Atlanta "RDs" I flew with. The ATL guys seemed to get wrapped around the axle about relatively trivial stuff, whereas the SLC guys seemed to do a much better job of focusing on the big picture. Over the course of a rotation there was significantly less drama.
Those are just my observations over approximately seven years tenure in both bases.
To test this theory ... along Virginia Ave, you'll hear debates on whether that's a comma, or a semi-colon in paragraph four on page 392. In Anchorage the same discussion would go something like "Is that in the FOM? ... What's an FOM?"*
SLC is in the middle, which is probably a good place to be.
* picking on a non existent base far from Atlanta, intentionally. (wish it was still there)
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