Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-27-2012 | 10:07 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Don't tell me they actually think about what they write.
I assumed it just happened, kind of like the way Shamans work ... or the way Jerry Garcia came up with designs for his line of neck ties. Straight from the subconscious mind without confusing logic or historical accuracy, just pure creativity.
Hey, I've got nothing against worship by the Native American Church, if that's what they call it. Notice they both have Widgets in their symbology? Coincidence?
(Now I've done it, PO'd everyone in one day ... have a nice weekend
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I assumed it just happened, kind of like the way Shamans work ... or the way Jerry Garcia came up with designs for his line of neck ties. Straight from the subconscious mind without confusing logic or historical accuracy, just pure creativity.
Hey, I've got nothing against worship by the Native American Church, if that's what they call it. Notice they both have Widgets in their symbology? Coincidence?
(Now I've done it, PO'd everyone in one day ... have a nice weekend
)
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04-27-2012 | 10:07 AM
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From: 767er Captain
04-27-2012 | 10:41 AM
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From: Boeing 757 First Officer and Cessna 182H financier
You bet we lost jobs! In my case our family lost two. I got to a second visit to the unemployment line and my wife got her NWA class canceled and ended up at Compass.
04-27-2012 | 11:06 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
Our follow on booster will be much more capable than the Shuttle (we never bought that much stuff down), if it gets funded. It will be a big sucker (graphic too big for here):
http://www.space.com/12957-nasa-gian...fographic.html
http://www.space.com/12957-nasa-gian...fographic.html
retro rockets!
anyways, was that cancelled too?
04-27-2012 | 11:16 AM
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From: 777B
I post it because many on here seem to have a limited understanding of contract negotiations and how they progress under the NMB and RLA.
The first rule of negotiations that everyone needs to understand is that its all about leverage. Who has it and who does not. The 1113 process is the apex of leverage for management. A NMB release is the peak of leverage for labor. After that there are many levels and ways to gain leverage or lose it.
Contract negotiations can very quickly go south and turn from a cooperative venture to all out war. There have been many posts on here and the DALPA forum that suggest that as a union we should be in all out war with the company at all times. I simply don't think that is a smart strategy. At the moment we enjoy a pretty good working relationship with the company. That has allowed many things to be accomplished. In fact the mid contract changes and additional source of money to pilots have been almost unheard of in the airline industry. It also assures that we don't have to worry about 1000 airtran pilots showing up next week.
I am cautiously hopeful at this point because the company has not chosen to use or attempt to use some very obvious tools for leverage they have had at their disposal. Lets hope it stays that way.
The first rule of negotiations that everyone needs to understand is that its all about leverage. Who has it and who does not. The 1113 process is the apex of leverage for management. A NMB release is the peak of leverage for labor. After that there are many levels and ways to gain leverage or lose it.
Contract negotiations can very quickly go south and turn from a cooperative venture to all out war. There have been many posts on here and the DALPA forum that suggest that as a union we should be in all out war with the company at all times. I simply don't think that is a smart strategy. At the moment we enjoy a pretty good working relationship with the company. That has allowed many things to be accomplished. In fact the mid contract changes and additional source of money to pilots have been almost unheard of in the airline industry. It also assures that we don't have to worry about 1000 airtran pilots showing up next week.
I am cautiously hopeful at this point because the company has not chosen to use or attempt to use some very obvious tools for leverage they have had at their disposal. Lets hope it stays that way.
Sailing;
If what you wrote above, is what you meant in the previous post, my apologies, I did not read it that way.
Just my opinion based upon what I know; management is more interested in happy labor than they are about an extra $xxM shown in the profit column, right now. I have pretty high expectations of two things: 1. a good contract. 2. a nice order book.
Time will tell if either or both happen.
04-27-2012 | 11:33 AM
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But as we have in the past when opportunities have presented themselves, we again choose not to wait. The Pilot Working Agreement permits contract openers to be exchanged up to 270 days prior to our December 31, 2012 amendable date, which is April 5, 2012. We believe opportunities exist, so today, your MEC directed the Negotiating Committee to meet with Delta management early next week to discuss opening the contract now with the goal of achieving a comprehensive agreement on an expedited basis.
04-27-2012 | 12:17 PM
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From: MSP7ERB
From the MEC chairmans letter dated 9 Mar.
But as we have in the past when opportunities have presented themselves, we again choose not to wait. The Pilot Working Agreement permits contract openers to be exchanged up to 270 days prior to our December 31, 2012 amendable date, which is April 5, 2012. We believe opportunities exist, so today, your MEC directed the Negotiating Committee to meet with Delta management early next week to discuss opening the contract now with the goal of achieving a comprehensive agreement on an expedited basis.
But as we have in the past when opportunities have presented themselves, we again choose not to wait. The Pilot Working Agreement permits contract openers to be exchanged up to 270 days prior to our December 31, 2012 amendable date, which is April 5, 2012. We believe opportunities exist, so today, your MEC directed the Negotiating Committee to meet with Delta management early next week to discuss opening the contract now with the goal of achieving a comprehensive agreement on an expedited basis.
"On Tuesday of this week, we met with ALPA and received ALPA’s opener for our Pilot Working Agreement that is amendable at the end of the year. The fact that we are opening contract discussions a few weeks early is an indication that both ALPA and the company believe there is an opportunity to reach a comprehensive agreement on an expedited timeline in advance of the amendable date."
04-27-2012 | 12:26 PM
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From: A-320A
Anyone see that DAL and LCC had a nice bump in the last two and a half hrs of trading?
Volume went up too. Looks like a couple of big buys.
Volume went up too. Looks like a couple of big buys.
04-27-2012 | 12:30 PM
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From: A-320A
Perhaps the truth is they both recognized the opportunity jointly. From SD's March 16th Weekly Update:
"On Tuesday of this week, we met with ALPA and received ALPA’s opener for our Pilot Working Agreement that is amendable at the end of the year. The fact that we are opening contract discussions a few weeks early is an indication that both ALPA and the company believe there is an opportunity to reach a comprehensive agreement on an expedited timeline in advance of the amendable date."
"On Tuesday of this week, we met with ALPA and received ALPA’s opener for our Pilot Working Agreement that is amendable at the end of the year. The fact that we are opening contract discussions a few weeks early is an indication that both ALPA and the company believe there is an opportunity to reach a comprehensive agreement on an expedited timeline in advance of the amendable date."
There is an opportunity for both. Us to add more restoration to our contracts, and for the company to know their major labor costs for the next few years. This will allow them to gain access to the financing they need going forward as well as know that we will be under an agreement for any transactions over that period.
Also as an aside, it behooves the company to make sure that we have an agreement prior to the November elections. If the incumbent wins a second term labor get a bigger ear. (In a second term that is)
04-27-2012 | 12:38 PM
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Maybe word got out to the Street that capacity will be further reduced, outsourcing increased, or a pilot pay raise of 5% will soon be announced.
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