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05-28-2012, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
The current block hour ratio is 1.19-1.
So what the alleged math "proves" is that DCI will have to shrink airframes by 25%, seats by 16%, and has to have at least a reduction from the current 1.19-1 to 1.56-1 ratio of block hours, and the "worst case" scenario a guy comes up with is that DCI shrinks even more than that?
And that's a "yikes"? Here I thought this board was all about scope...you know, the stuff that ensures Delta pilots do more Delta flying...
So what the alleged math "proves" is that DCI will have to shrink airframes by 25%, seats by 16%, and has to have at least a reduction from the current 1.19-1 to 1.56-1 ratio of block hours, and the "worst case" scenario a guy comes up with is that DCI shrinks even more than that?
And that's a "yikes"? Here I thought this board was all about scope...you know, the stuff that ensures Delta pilots do more Delta flying...
Recalculation in progress.
05-28-2012, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
You don't get the DC because you have a fully funded DB plan. (Plus some sort of other lump sum payout that I am unsure of.. I heard that from a fNWA 320 captain. I will find out more about THAT and remind you of just how pitiful your case really is) How dare you come on here and act like you have been harmed in this instance. But guess what, you will get the DC 2015. I'll betcha that if you think about that for a little while you will NEVER leave...
Talk about insulting.
Talk about insulting.
Why do I feel like you're on a ledge getting ready to jump?
Carl
05-28-2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
You don't get the DC because you have a fully funded DB plan. (Plus some sort of other lump sum payout that I am unsure of.. I heard that from a fNWA 320 captain. I will find out more about THAT and remind you of just how pitiful your case really is) How dare you come on here and act like you have been harmed in this instance. But guess what, you will get the DC 2015. I'll betcha that if you think about that for a little while you will NEVER leave...
Talk about insulting.
Talk about insulting.
He's right...he is a bad example.
05-28-2012, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Great points all Denny. I never knew that it was Delta pilots that won that grievance and mandated that ruling on Independence Air. It may not be a perfect analogy, but a good legal precedent to have.
I would have no concern at all about us filing such a grievance against Delta regarding operations of a non-ALPA airline. But do you think our union would do that to an RJ airline that had ALPA pilots? Would DALPA be pressured to "look the other way" so as not to harm fellow ALPA pilots?
Carl
I would have no concern at all about us filing such a grievance against Delta regarding operations of a non-ALPA airline. But do you think our union would do that to an RJ airline that had ALPA pilots? Would DALPA be pressured to "look the other way" so as not to harm fellow ALPA pilots?
Carl
Carl,
I don't remember if it got to the point of a grievence but I do know that our code was removed from IA because of our scope clause....
As to your second paragraphs questions, I would think/hope that they would. I know hope is not a strategy but I do think the hue and cry from the membership if they did NOT file a grievence would be monumental.
Denny
05-28-2012, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Nope.
Tell me again, what is it that you do for the Delta pilots?
Tell me again, what is it that you do for the Delta pilots?
Originally Posted by slowplay
One of the advantages of working for a large union is that your E&FA department...
05-28-2012, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Make that 2014. 1234 had it right...at the TA payrates he'll get 15% of $260-270/hr for 2 years plus additional residual between now and then. That's over $80K on top of his pre-bankruptcy pension even if he works below average pay hours.
He's right...he is a bad example.
He's right...he is a bad example.
05-28-2012, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Make that 2014. 1234 had it right...at the TA payrates he'll get 15% of $260-270/hr for 2 years plus additional residual between now and then. That's over $80K on top of his pre-bankruptcy pension even if he works below average pay hours.
He's right...he is a bad example.
He's right...he is a bad example.
05-28-2012, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Why do I feel like you're on a ledge getting ready to jump?
Carl
05-28-2012, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Denny,
I've put Carl back on the ignore list,
I've put Carl back on the ignore list,
Carl
05-28-2012, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
There are those of us on the other end of the seniority list who can't even make captain, much less that money, because of the scope clause in our contract. This TA does nothing to fix that. Instead of all this time value of money discussion, how about a scope value of money discussion?
This TA takes the ratio of mainline-DCI domestic equivalent block hours from its current 1.19-1 to a minimum of 1.56-1. That's a lot more of Delta branded flying being flown by Delta pilots. That's scope value.
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