forgot to bid

what was the deal back in the day, you could be training for one airplane and still be on the hook to fly the old one? or something along those lines?

scambo1

Before my time, but yes. Ask some old fester, like Timbo how that worked.

forgot to bid

so Timbo, what was the deal back in the day, you could be training for one airplane and still be on the hook to fly the old one? or something along those lines?

Timbo

Absolutely. In fact, just before I got hired, there were guys who were in what was called the "Dual Pool", they were qualed on two airplanes, like DC9 F/O and DC 8 engineer, and they were on reserve, for Both! Scheds could/would call you out for either one! If you were getting close on landing currency, you called scheds and they'd get you on a trip to get your landings. I knew guys who were both 737 F/O's and 727 F/E's.

When I went to MD-88 Capt. (1992) they trained me (at 757 F/O rates of course, because I wasn't Converted yet) and then gave me two IOE's. Then they sent me back to right seat on the 757 where I waited to be converted...for 3 months!

And then, the month before I was to convert to 88 Capt. they made me go to 757 RECURRENT!! But I had vacation in that month, and all they would have had to do is drop one 757 trip, to NOT send me to recurrent, OR convert me one month earlier, and not send me to recurrent.

I called everyone from the CPO to DALPA to try to get out of going back to recurrent, no dice. Luckily my 757 IP was very understanding and let me slide through the recurrent with minimal questions for me.

"Tim, How many engines on the 757?"

Me: "Um...three...NO TWO!"

It was in C2K I think, that we finaly got that changed, so now you don't ever go back to your previous airplane, after you complete training, they convert you right away, if not before you've even started training.

Timbo

Oh, and for KC Ten guy re. Catch 22, buy the book, read it, then watch the movie!

http://www.amazon.com/Catch-22-Anniv...5485038&sr=1-1

The TV show Mash was based loosly on the book's theme.

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)

nwaf16dude

NWA had a real "disaster waiting to happen" dual qualification in the contract prior to the 98 lockout. It was one of the things they struck over. I was hired post strike so I didn't experience it, but I've heard some pretty ridiculous stories about it. Maybe Carl or Newk can elaborate.

More Bacon

Mid month conversion? But I thought all of the scheduling-related LOAs DALPA touts as a "benefit" from "constructive engagement" were "improvements."

johnso29

You really don't pay attention, do you?

Scoop

That is my favorite book of all time. And the movie ain't too bad either - but definitely read the book first.

KC-10,

No CGI - all genuine B-25 footage. The movie was made around 1970 and I have heard it said that the demand for flying B-25s for filming this movie is partially responsible for a lot of the B-25s still flying today.

Scoop

acl65pilot

Yes, and they still have many of those route authorities.