Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-06-2012 | 05:23 PM
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How about something requiring the company to oppose cabotage, too?
My God, that was a nauseating read. CREDITING 99 hours is one thing. FLYING 99 hours? Good thing 75% sick leave is gone. Guys will be calling in sick monthly.
NO NO NO NO NO. I don't even need to see section one to send this one back. If this was DALPA's attempt to get us pumped up and happy...FAIL.
My God, that was a nauseating read. CREDITING 99 hours is one thing. FLYING 99 hours? Good thing 75% sick leave is gone. Guys will be calling in sick monthly.
NO NO NO NO NO. I don't even need to see section one to send this one back. If this was DALPA's attempt to get us pumped up and happy...FAIL.
05-06-2012 | 05:23 PM
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Shot off an email to my reps and got a prompt reply...... If it's any consolation my reps have many of the same concerns we are mentioning. I was glad to hear this and I am looking forward to speaking with them personally once stateside.
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05-06-2012 | 05:24 PM
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What this does is if you are below guarantee they can add a trip that goes up to ALV+15. If you are at or above reserve guarantee for the month, you are done.
The changes do reduce staffing. We have to see the whole package to determine if it is a real reduction or a shuffling of deck chairs.
The changes do reduce staffing. We have to see the whole package to determine if it is a real reduction or a shuffling of deck chairs.
05-06-2012 | 05:27 PM
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What this does is if you are below guarantee they can add a trip that goes up to ALV+15. If you are at or above reserve guarantee for the month, you are done.
The changes do reduce staffing. We have to see the whole package to determine if it is a real reduction or a shuffling of deck chairs.
The changes do reduce staffing. We have to see the whole package to determine if it is a real reduction or a shuffling of deck chairs.
05-06-2012 | 05:31 PM
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I've got a quick question about reserve. I'm in a two day bucket coming up and I've flown so my RAW score is pretty high right now. I'm still first on the list to be called, though, because I'm the junior guy. If seniority now rules, what is the point of a RAW score? As I understand, I can have a RAW score of 100 and have five senior guys with 0 RAW scores, yet I'll still be called to fly before them. Am I reading that right?
05-06-2012 | 05:46 PM
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That was my first thought as well. Consider this:
The company staffs to fly the heavy summer schedule. This is very apparent to us reserve pilots that rarely fly from Labor Day to Memorial Day and then redline all summer long. Mgmt is apparently fine with the carrying costs of keeping extra pilots in the shoulder months - this is good for the pilot group as it keeps more of us around.
Now, if we allow them to fly our reserves past the redline (ALV), they will be able to fly the summer schedule with fewer pilots thus lowering their carrying costs in the shoulder months.
Of course this staffing impact can be mitigated by other areas (min calendar day, like ACL mentioned, among others.) It will definitely be a total package decision to make (much like the scope decision we will be facing.)
So far, there's not enough information to begin forming an opinion. The big items (scope, payrates, duty rigs, premium pay, vacation/training pay, etc) will decide whether this is worth going after. It is nice to see some of the items cleaned up like sick harrassment, 75% pay, and so on. I do appreciate the NC's effort at the table and taking the time to send us some info, as we're clearly information starved here
The company staffs to fly the heavy summer schedule. This is very apparent to us reserve pilots that rarely fly from Labor Day to Memorial Day and then redline all summer long. Mgmt is apparently fine with the carrying costs of keeping extra pilots in the shoulder months - this is good for the pilot group as it keeps more of us around.
Now, if we allow them to fly our reserves past the redline (ALV), they will be able to fly the summer schedule with fewer pilots thus lowering their carrying costs in the shoulder months.
Of course this staffing impact can be mitigated by other areas (min calendar day, like ACL mentioned, among others.) It will definitely be a total package decision to make (much like the scope decision we will be facing.)
So far, there's not enough information to begin forming an opinion. The big items (scope, payrates, duty rigs, premium pay, vacation/training pay, etc) will decide whether this is worth going after. It is nice to see some of the items cleaned up like sick harrassment, 75% pay, and so on. I do appreciate the NC's effort at the table and taking the time to send us some info, as we're clearly information starved here
I think we need to see the whole thing.
05-06-2012 | 05:48 PM
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Just opened my e-mail.
I am stunned!! Appalled!! This Negotiator Notepad is unbelievable. I can't imagine why they would put this out.
Are we back in bankruptcy? This is all increases in pilot productivity with nothing good attached to it but trivialities.
We've just lost maybe what? a thousand pilots with this disaster. More?
Raise the ALV? Lose jobs. Make July and August into 30 day months to pack that ALV into? Lose jobs. Bump the reserves to ALV+15? Lose jobs. Let reserves sell their X days for more guarantee? Lose jobs.
This is freaking horrible! If this stuff makes it into the contract we will not see another positive AE for a long long time. The 100 hour month *****s among us will love this contract. Makes up for the loss of trip parking and then some.
I will repeat -- I am stunned!
What the hell is Scrappy thinking putting this out? Could it be a cry for help? Is he warning us that things are going badly? The good things in it are trivial and infrequent. We can now call in sick for a toothache? Yippee!!
I suppose I will eat my words if there is a 50% pay raise attached but for now --- WOW. We are getting our butts kicked.
There better be some VERY serious coins coming along with all these work rule concessions.
Somebody tell me why I shouldn't panic. Please.
Did I read this wrong? Its all concessions to my mind. That can't be right.
When people filled out the survey was "work longer hours" the number 1 vote getter??
I'm just shocked at this. Sorry. Time for some single malt.
I am stunned!! Appalled!! This Negotiator Notepad is unbelievable. I can't imagine why they would put this out.
Are we back in bankruptcy? This is all increases in pilot productivity with nothing good attached to it but trivialities.
We've just lost maybe what? a thousand pilots with this disaster. More?
Raise the ALV? Lose jobs. Make July and August into 30 day months to pack that ALV into? Lose jobs. Bump the reserves to ALV+15? Lose jobs. Let reserves sell their X days for more guarantee? Lose jobs.
This is freaking horrible! If this stuff makes it into the contract we will not see another positive AE for a long long time. The 100 hour month *****s among us will love this contract. Makes up for the loss of trip parking and then some.
I will repeat -- I am stunned!
What the hell is Scrappy thinking putting this out? Could it be a cry for help? Is he warning us that things are going badly? The good things in it are trivial and infrequent. We can now call in sick for a toothache? Yippee!!
I suppose I will eat my words if there is a 50% pay raise attached but for now --- WOW. We are getting our butts kicked.
There better be some VERY serious coins coming along with all these work rule concessions.
Somebody tell me why I shouldn't panic. Please.
Did I read this wrong? Its all concessions to my mind. That can't be right.
When people filled out the survey was "work longer hours" the number 1 vote getter??
I'm just shocked at this. Sorry. Time for some single malt.
05-06-2012 | 05:50 PM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Here's some 'simple math':
ALV of 82, vs. ALV (82) + 15 = 18% less reserves required, but I didn't read it that way, I read it that you are still 'full' when you reach ALV, UNLESS you WANT to fly up to ALV + 15....?
And here's the math on the regular lines going up by 5 more hours.
ALV 82 (yearly average) + 5 hours = 6% less pilots required.
For every 1000 Captains, that's 60 less they need, so if there are 6,000 Captains today (?) that's 360 less they need tomorrow.
And that's only the regular lines, subtract more Capt. seats for the reserves who fly up to ALV+15.
You just paid for your "Raise"....again.
05-06-2012 | 05:51 PM
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The negotiators appear to be operating in some other universe.
Why on Earth would we be giving major concessions to our work rules?
05-06-2012 | 05:56 PM
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Not hiring. Delta management says no pilot hiring in 2012 due to block hour decrease.
Anybody mind explaining this id appreciate it.
Anybody mind explaining this id appreciate it.
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