Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-06-2012, 06:17 PM
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I'm not seeing why there's so much negativity on the TA'd sections. A 1 hour increase to ALV and TLV is marginal.
Increase rsv guarantee, good stuff. There's more ability to ***** yourself out on rsv, but not stuff they can do to you.
Biggie: Trip parking is DONE. That is huge.
Increase rsv guarantee, good stuff. There's more ability to ***** yourself out on rsv, but not stuff they can do to you.
Biggie: Trip parking is DONE. That is huge.
05-06-2012, 06:18 PM
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Clamp,
Thats the way I read it - you are "full" at the guarantee but can fly more if you want. That in itself is not too bad, what I am worried about is being 2 hours short of the ALV and being assigned a 15 hour trip.
I think guys are getting a little ahead of ourselves - this is only part of the package and cannot be evaluated until we see the whole package.
I will say, I would like to see some analysis on these productivity increases (concessions) and the NC's take on them.
Scoop
Thats the way I read it - you are "full" at the guarantee but can fly more if you want. That in itself is not too bad, what I am worried about is being 2 hours short of the ALV and being assigned a 15 hour trip.
I think guys are getting a little ahead of ourselves - this is only part of the package and cannot be evaluated until we see the whole package.
I will say, I would like to see some analysis on these productivity increases (concessions) and the NC's take on them.
Scoop
Totally agree that we are getting ahead of ourselves here.
05-06-2012, 06:22 PM
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Hey, I have an idea. We already know that furlough protection is not worth the paper on which it's printed. Real furlough protection is pilots underneath us on the list, which likely would not happen with these work rule changes. And as someone stated above, furlough in the next few years will hopefully not be a big concern. Sooo....
How about we negotiate some stagnation protection? For every year a pilot fails to move x% up the list, he moves up one pay category. Or one year of longevity. More outsourcing: hurts the company. Shrinking due to work rule hits: hurts the company. I'd take that clause over furlough protection any day. Did anyone put furlough protection high on their contract survey? Or where is ALPA seeing that we should waste any negotiating capital on it?
How about we negotiate some stagnation protection? For every year a pilot fails to move x% up the list, he moves up one pay category. Or one year of longevity. More outsourcing: hurts the company. Shrinking due to work rule hits: hurts the company. I'd take that clause over furlough protection any day. Did anyone put furlough protection high on their contract survey? Or where is ALPA seeing that we should waste any negotiating capital on it?
05-06-2012, 06:23 PM
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I don't read it this way....... I believe the intent is once you fly a trip that puts you at or above reserve guarantee you are done. But, as long as you are below reserve guarantee you can be assigned a trip not to exceed ALV + 15:00.
05-06-2012, 06:24 PM
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We're talking about Section 23.S.2.a.1 --
A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV.
If they change that to ALV + 15 then they can assign a reserve a 15 hour trip if he is one minute short of the ALV. That is a big change. It will reduce staffing significantly.
We're talking about Section 23.S.2.a.1 --
A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV.
If they change that to ALV + 15 then they can assign a reserve a 15 hour trip if he is one minute short of the ALV. That is a big change. It will reduce staffing significantly.
I wasn't sure what it meant, thanks for clearing that up, and I agree, it WILL reduce staffing, as will increasing the ALV's by 5 hours for regular line holders.
OK, It's not in the Note Pad, but just for fun, let's say the company then offers an "Early Out" package for say, 500 pilots.
Well, just the 5 hour increase in ALV will more than cover that.
If 11,000 pilots each fly 5 more hours, that's an additional 55,000 hours being flown by the same 11,000 pilots. Divide that 55,000 additonal hours by today's ALV of 82, you've just lost 670 pilot jobs.
500 early outs, but 670 less pilots needed. A win for the Company, no doubt.
Split 50/50, it's 335 less in each seat. If the company did allow 500 early outs, and they if were all Capts., they only need to replace 165 of the 500 who left.
Hey, look on the bright side, they haven't offered the early out yet, and if they do, maybe they can make that 165 up with...
More RJ Capts!
05-06-2012, 06:26 PM
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If you are not "full" until you hit the guarantee can they still give you a trip that takes you over the guarantee but less than ALV + 15? (max reserve)
That's the way it works now, correct?
Or can they never give you a trip that goes over guarantee? I guess we'll find out when we get some actual language.
05-06-2012, 06:30 PM
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05-06-2012, 06:31 PM
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Maybe the scope is that all 70 seats and above is coming in house and we need this productivity to stay competitive with the regional guys. Just wishful thinking.
05-06-2012, 06:31 PM
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05-06-2012, 06:32 PM
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Exactly.
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