Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-06-2012 | 06:00 PM
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How about something requiring the company to oppose cabotage, too?
My God, that was a nauseating read. CREDITING 99 hours is one thing. FLYING 99 hours? Good thing 75% sick leave is gone. Guys will be calling in sick monthly.
NO NO NO NO NO. I don't even need to see section one to send this one back. If this was DALPA's attempt to get us pumped up and happy...FAIL.
My God, that was a nauseating read. CREDITING 99 hours is one thing. FLYING 99 hours? Good thing 75% sick leave is gone. Guys will be calling in sick monthly.
NO NO NO NO NO. I don't even need to see section one to send this one back. If this was DALPA's attempt to get us pumped up and happy...FAIL.
05-06-2012 | 06:02 PM
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We're talking about Section 23.S.2.a.1 --
A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV.
If they change that to ALV + 15 then they can assign a reserve a 15 hour trip if he is one minute short of the ALV. That is a big change. It will reduce staffing significantly.
05-06-2012 | 06:05 PM
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Tim-
We're talking about Section 23.S.2.a.1 --
A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV.
If they change that to ALV + 15 then they can assign a reserve a 15 hour trip if he is one minute short of the ALV. That is a big change. It will reduce staffing significantly.
We're talking about Section 23.S.2.a.1 --
A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV.
If they change that to ALV + 15 then they can assign a reserve a 15 hour trip if he is one minute short of the ALV. That is a big change. It will reduce staffing significantly.
"Max reserve changed from ALV to ALV + 15:00
§ Reserve “full” at his reserve guarantee"
Meaning you're done at guarantee unless you want to go higher. AMIRITE?
05-06-2012 | 06:12 PM
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Here's some 'simple math':
And here's the math on the regular lines going up by 5 more hours.
ALV 82 (yearly average) + 5 hours = 6% less pilots required.
For every 1000 Captains, that's 60 less they need, so if there are 6,000 Captains today (?) that's 360 less they need tomorrow.
And here's the math on the regular lines going up by 5 more hours.
ALV 82 (yearly average) + 5 hours = 6% less pilots required.
For every 1000 Captains, that's 60 less they need, so if there are 6,000 Captains today (?) that's 360 less they need tomorrow.
While I certainly agree that this reduces the staffing requirement, the current agreement has a TLV of 74-79 hours. If the TLV range is increased (per the NN) to 75-80 hours, this is only a 1 hour increase at the top of the range. I believe that would be a decrease of a little over 1%, not 6%, if they ran right at the top of the TLV range.
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05-06-2012 | 06:14 PM
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Clamp,
Thats the way I read it - you are "full" at the guarantee but can fly more if you want. That in itself is not too bad, what I am worried about is being 2 hours short of the ALV and being assigned a 15 hour trip - would this be a proffer, an assignment or does the guy have no choice? If you have no choice being full is kind of meaningless. We really need some more explanation.
I think guys are getting a little ahead of ourselves - this is only part of the package and cannot be evaluated until we see the whole package.
In general I am pretty much against any productivity increases and don't want guys flying 90-100 hours. At least we got rid of trip parking. I will also say, I would like to see some analysis on these productivity increases (concessions) and the NC's take on them.
Scoop
05-06-2012 | 06:16 PM
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I'm not seeing why there's so much negativity on the TA'd sections. A 1 hour increase to ALV and TLV is marginal.
Increase rsv guarantee, good stuff. There's more ability to ***** yourself out on rsv, but not stuff they can do to you.
Biggie: Trip parking is DONE. That is huge.
Increase rsv guarantee, good stuff. There's more ability to ***** yourself out on rsv, but not stuff they can do to you.
Biggie: Trip parking is DONE. That is huge.
05-06-2012 | 06:17 PM
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I'm not seeing why there's so much negativity on the TA'd sections. A 1 hour increase to ALV and TLV is marginal.
Increase rsv guarantee, good stuff. There's more ability to ***** yourself out on rsv, but not stuff they can do to you.
Biggie: Trip parking is DONE. That is huge.
Increase rsv guarantee, good stuff. There's more ability to ***** yourself out on rsv, but not stuff they can do to you.
Biggie: Trip parking is DONE. That is huge.
05-06-2012 | 06:18 PM
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Clamp,
Thats the way I read it - you are "full" at the guarantee but can fly more if you want. That in itself is not too bad, what I am worried about is being 2 hours short of the ALV and being assigned a 15 hour trip.
I think guys are getting a little ahead of ourselves - this is only part of the package and cannot be evaluated until we see the whole package.
I will say, I would like to see some analysis on these productivity increases (concessions) and the NC's take on them.
Scoop
Thats the way I read it - you are "full" at the guarantee but can fly more if you want. That in itself is not too bad, what I am worried about is being 2 hours short of the ALV and being assigned a 15 hour trip.
I think guys are getting a little ahead of ourselves - this is only part of the package and cannot be evaluated until we see the whole package.
I will say, I would like to see some analysis on these productivity increases (concessions) and the NC's take on them.
Scoop
Totally agree that we are getting ahead of ourselves here.
05-06-2012 | 06:22 PM
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Hey, I have an idea. We already know that furlough protection is not worth the paper on which it's printed. Real furlough protection is pilots underneath us on the list, which likely would not happen with these work rule changes. And as someone stated above, furlough in the next few years will hopefully not be a big concern. Sooo....
How about we negotiate some stagnation protection? For every year a pilot fails to move x% up the list, he moves up one pay category. Or one year of longevity. More outsourcing: hurts the company. Shrinking due to work rule hits: hurts the company. I'd take that clause over furlough protection any day. Did anyone put furlough protection high on their contract survey? Or where is ALPA seeing that we should waste any negotiating capital on it?
How about we negotiate some stagnation protection? For every year a pilot fails to move x% up the list, he moves up one pay category. Or one year of longevity. More outsourcing: hurts the company. Shrinking due to work rule hits: hurts the company. I'd take that clause over furlough protection any day. Did anyone put furlough protection high on their contract survey? Or where is ALPA seeing that we should waste any negotiating capital on it?
05-06-2012 | 06:23 PM
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I don't read it this way....... I believe the intent is once you fly a trip that puts you at or above reserve guarantee you are done. But, as long as you are below reserve guarantee you can be assigned a trip not to exceed ALV + 15:00.
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