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Old 07-09-2009 | 02:17 PM
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Ferd, the best way to operate the current FOM depends if you knew where the info was previously found (eg chapter) or if you like the index. If you knew where it was originally, just go to the old NW FOM pages and see what the reference says on the right hand side. If it says NW...than that reference applies, if it says DF, the DL FOM reference applies. If you can not find it in the old chapter..look in the index and go to that reference. You also use the exceptions pages to cross check the validity.

There still will be unresolved issues at SOC and after.
Old 07-09-2009 | 02:22 PM
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Ice, yup! Real clear Seriously, good recap but I never read the darn thing anyway

Hey, you south boys just sitting back eating twix bars and doing regular revisions reading this? You owe me a beer
Old 07-09-2009 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Ice, yup! Real clear Seriously, good recap but I never read the darn thing anyway

Hey, you south boys just sitting back eating twix bars and doing regular revisions reading this? You owe me a beer
I'm still working on the revisions. But the Twix bars, them's is the devil's food. I think I've gained five pounds eating on those calorie delicious snacks.
Old 07-09-2009 | 02:50 PM
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I'm still having a terrible time remembering to say "checks" at 500 feet. Oh, the humanity!

Flew with one CA that instead of saying "checks"... to remind himself he would say a different cereal name at 500 feet. It worked, haha.

I still think "hold my beer, watch this" should be a callout prior to initiating any takeoff or landing procedure. Maybe that will come in phase 5.
Old 07-09-2009 | 02:53 PM
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We thought the 500 checks thing was you guys.............we didn't do it.

My response to "1000 feet, cleared to land" is "no response required"
Old 07-09-2009 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
We thought the 500 checks thing was you guys.............we didn't do it.

My response to "1000 feet, cleared to land" is "no response required"
The 500 feet "checks" thing wasn't us either. I still haven't done it right...and I have recurrent next week.
Old 07-09-2009 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Is anyone else frightened to see the 2nd Qtr results? I think it's going to be ugly.
I agree. Not going to be as good as we all hoped.
Old 07-09-2009 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
ACL/Professor...........VNav on the preflight the best you got??? I just watched the phase 3 LMS.........argggggggggggggg I'm not smart enough to keep up with all this. Plus, throw in the manual tranisitions? I've got to watch how to look up stuff in the FOM again, is it on a white black bordered Delta Page or a Red page? Geeze, why don't they just send us the finished manuals? This is like pulling off a bandaid REAL SLOW (yes I know, SOC).

Started to watch the new ACARS section, but it's 37slides.........I couldn't take any more.

Ferd

PS..............I do like the new takeoff with an engine failure procedure.
Yeah, and as I say, do not sweat the small stuff. Procedures change, we will adapt.
Old 07-09-2009 | 03:07 PM
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The most painful tooth pulling change for some down here is the challenge and response shutdown checklist. I flew with one captain that turned to the lca checking him and said "I don't do it." lca said they'd be changing back in time to the DALS way sometime after soc.

I guess some refuse to change. I just hope we don't extend that train of thought to the whole merger. I hear all the time about how we once were the largest airline in lax after the Western merger and then we gave it up. I'll hate myself if in 20 years I'm telling some 30 year old fo about how we were once the largest carrier in msp and dtw before we gave it to swa.
Old 07-09-2009 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The most painful tooth pulling change for some down here is the challenge and response shutdown checklist. I flew with one that turned to the lca checking him and said "I don't do it." lca said they'd be changing back in time to the DALS way. I guess some refuse to change. I just hope we don't extend that train of thought to the whole merger. I hear all the time about how we once were the largest airline in lax after the Western merger and then we gave it up. I'll hate myself if in 20 years I'm telling some 30 year old fo about how we were once the largest carrier in msp and dtw before we gave it to swa.
We can only hope we learned from our mistakes.
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