Originally Posted by Mesabah

Because falling on my career sword, means I fly the C series, and larger here at 9E, rather than mainline.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Yes, but, longevity where? It is all Delta.

I started at ASA in 1999 and hired in at Delta in 2007. There were ASA rampers, managers and gate agents who followed exactly my career path. Their longevity date is 1999. Mine is 2007. The only difference is that pilots are treated differently than ALL other employee groups.

So my EtD Jumpseater is promised a Delta job. He has already interviewed and already been given the job. It is his. What is his longevity date when he transfers to Delta?

His Chief Pilot is Barry Wilbur. What is his longevity date? What about when he transfers back to Delta?

What if the Endeavor pilot gets time off for cause? What is his longevity date then? If he has employment rights at Delta, who represents him? What about a Delta pilot who flows down? Could a disagreement with an Endeavor manager cost a Delta pilot his job?

This whole "pregnant but not really pregnant" issue is nonsense and on the face of it, unfair.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Perhaps we need a term to define a ten year career delay while Delta jobs are outsourced.

Originally Posted by tsquare

Longevity based pay. Start there.

And there is a difference between doing "the right thing", and throwing yourself on a grenade. We are not at war. We have all been dealt cards of varying nature. At this point I have to worry about rebuilding my retirement. Young guys are gonna have a great one unless they get fired. I am not gonna throw myself on the grenade of paying for RJ flying just so Mesabah can move over here and jump right into the left seat of a C series airplane. Sorry. If that is being selfish, then so be it. Why don't you ax him to throw himself on a grenade so that I can retire with something close to what I was promised when I got here 20+ years ago? Why doesn't all this big talk of unity work in that direction?

Originally Posted by John Carr

EVERYTHING after post 4341 to this post should be wiped out by the mods. Jesus, get a room you guys.

Anybody hear that DAL is hiring!!!???? That's awesome.......

Originally Posted by gloopy

That's clearly because DCI is the biggest. The others are smaller yet trying to grow. AA tried to find a home for their new large RJ's even in the face of a shrinking 50 seat fleet and couldn't find providers to do it until their last resort CPZ. Even then I think they made a miscalculation. Trans States is one of the most ruthless cut throat bottom feeders around, so they obviously said they could do it to get the deal. CPZ is one of the most stable right now and part of that was the flow through. But more than that was that throughout their entire history until very recently everyone went there for the flow. Even now they see a few grandfathered flow pilots leaving here and there for other places. IMO AA's bet on CPZ includes a lot of assumptions that are false and will not pan out.

UAL is way behind and one of the CHQ "air group" feeders had to pull down capacity as well because of staffing. Yet UEX thinks its going to grow! LOL!

Back to DCI, they have agressively started a process of removing a lot of pilot block hours by up gauging (at DCI and at mainline) and its still no where near enough.

I don't see any "express system" or whatever you want to call it that is safe from the inevitable staffing crisis that is already upon them. All of them.

Originally Posted by John Carr

EVERYTHING after post 4341 to this post should be wiped out by the mods. Jesus, get a room you guys.

Anybody hear that DAL is hiring!!!???? That's awesome.......

Originally Posted by Mesabah

My guess is that the small jet carriers walk away from Delta after the rate reset, and takes their pilots with them. Chataqua already is walking, Compass is walking soon, ASA/SKY is on the ropes, Gojets will collapse on its own, so will Endeavor. Endeavor is losing 2 pilots a day, with no let up in sight.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy

And a 5 year period of no movement for guys on the bottom of the list so the dead zoners could stay 5 more years on the top of the list.