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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1718803)
That still doesn't prove his claim.
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And, Mary Jane, this is Ed. One additional thing, we also reduced the profit sharing going forward and that’s an important part of helping to fund that cost growth.
Self Funding our hourly increase by giving up profit sharing is a huge mistake we cannot afford to make again. As you can see from Ed's comment above on C2012, this is clearly management's goal. Our profit sharing check next February will double. IMO 2015 will be another 50% larger again as Delta makes $5.5 billion or more next year. If you reduce profit sharing and increase hourly rates, your W-2 stays the same. Our W-2 need to increase 25% date of signing. Coupled with improvements in the rest of the PWA C2015 needs to add $1 billion to the Delta pilots. Edit |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1719108)
And, Mary Jane, this is Ed. One additional thing, we also reduced the profit sharing going forward and that’s an important part of helping to fund that cost growth.
Self Funding our hourly increase by giving up profit sharing is a huge mistake we cannot afford to make again. As you can see from Ed's comment above on C2012, this is clearly management's goal. Our profit sharing check next February will double. IMO 2015 will be another 50% larger again as Delta makes $5.5 billion or more next year. If you reduce profit sharing and increase hourly rates, your W-2 stays the same. Our W-2 need to increase 25% date of signing. Coupled with improvements in the rest of the PWA C2015 needs to add $1 billion to the Delta pilots. Edit Wouldn't a 25% increase add $1B by itself? |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1719108)
If you reduce profit sharing and increase hourly rates, your W-2 stays the same.
That reduction had a value of up to $42M, which is roughly equivalent to a 2% increase in hourly rates. So our W2 went up in 2013, but by only 6.5% and not 8.5%, all other things being equal , e.g., hours flown, etc. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1719111)
Wouldn't a 25% increase add $1B by itself?
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1719114)
I thought that 1% is just over $20M. So, 25% should be a little over $500M.
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Originally Posted by Whidbey
(Post 1718902)
However, when we say...(moving days in the summer bid months and giving up ALV+15) cost us 100-150 pilots, that's really another way of saying that the work of those 100-150 pilots has been distributed across the pilot group via these productivity increases.
But I agree with the rest of your statement. Moving days in the summer bid months and going to an 84-hour ALV did cost 100 or so jobs (assuming no change in block hours), according to the roadshow materials, by distributing the work among that many fewer pilots. The flip side then is that you have less overstaffing in the winter months, which means two things:
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1718740)
Yet even after all that, our current pay rates are approximately 34% below the buying power we had with our pay rates throughout most of the 1980's, 1990's, and early 2000's. I guess if you accept bankruptcy as the new baseline, then 19.5% is really good. Trying to recover from a 42% pay cut... not so much.
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1718749)
if we're to the point that we have to hire an outside party to audit and verify what DALPA is doing... which by extension means we don't trust DALPA... then tell me again why we accept representation like that in the first place? If I had someone representing me (like say, a lawyer or something) and I reached the conclusion that I couldn't trust them anymore, I would fire their @ss and replace them with someone I could trust. I wouldn't be wasting time and money on having someone else look over their shoulder. No trust? No deal... I simply don't do business with you.
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1719113)
I understand (and agree with most of) your point, but the statement above pre-supposes that the increase in hourly rates has exactly the same value as the reduction in profit sharing. In C2012, hourly rates increase by 8.5% in 2013 offset by a 33% reduction in our profit sharing up to $2.5B.
That reduction had a value of up to $42M, which is roughly equivalent to a 2% increase in hourly rates. So our W2 went up in 2013, but by only 6.5% and not 8.5%, all other things being equal , e.g., hours flown, etc. |
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