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Old 09-16-2014 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
The minute you do that you lose any chance of monetizing labor peace over something a mediator likely doesn't care about. This doesn't make sense to me.
We've already lost that chance.

There is no way to "monetize labor peace" when there is no credible threat of labor discord. We've seen no leadership or any kind of spark from Donatelli indicating he's got the stomach to fight. Moak is on record saying he's ok with "marginal" pay increases... he mentioned $2.00 or $2.05!

RA has already stated that labor risk is off the table.

Translation: we know ALPA won't fight. Donatelli has already rolled over.

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Old 09-16-2014 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
DALPA operatives (wing nut, gomer) pop out of the woodwork to support the new spokesman for expectation management: Oberon.
Is that the only thing you can say? Don't like the message Purple? Have to assign imaginary positions for people you don't have the ability to debate? Oberon spanked all of you, is a new hire so obviously has no position with ALPA, and that is the best you can do?

Pretty sad and pathetic.

I have absolutely, I repeat absolutely nothing to do with ALPA but that doesn't make any difference to you. In your small angry mind anyone who doesn't parrot your message (or TC's) must be getting paid.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
We've already lost that chance.

There is no way to "monetize labor peace" when there is absolutely no threat of labor discord. No leadership or any kind of spark from Donatelli indicating he's got the stomach to fight. Moak is on record saying he's ok with "marginal" pay increases... $2.00 or $2.05!

RA has already stated that labor risk is off the table.

Translation: we know ALPA won't fight. Donatelli has already rolled over.
Are those the talking points you are getting from Tim?
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Old 09-16-2014 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
I know he has me on ignore because he doesn't like my message or being called out.
I have nobody on ignore Wingnutdal...not even you.

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Old 09-16-2014 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I have nobody on ignore Wingnutdal...not even you.

Carl
Then answer any of the above. You are on the DPA organizational chart, and I think it's time you admit it.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Is that the only thing you can say? Don't like the message Purple? Have to assign imaginary positions for people you don't have the ability to debate? Oberon spanked all of you, is a new hire so obviously has no position with ALPA, and that is the best you can do?

Pretty sad and pathetic.
What exactly is your message? Do you have anything of substance to add?
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Old 09-16-2014 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
DALPA operatives (wing nut, gomer) pop out of the woodwork to support the new spokesman for expectation management: Oberon.
Oberon just flowed up from CPZ this year. Your instant reversion to conspiracy theories get a bit old.

FWIW, I generally don't agree with the points he tries to make.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Here are some facts a mediator is likely to consider. Delta is making billions, seriously billions! Comparable pilot groups have comparable contracts. It'd be better if comparable pilot groups had better contracts but at least there is no US Airways out there making 40% less than us. Hell, the worst out there right now is probably Jet Blue and they just voted in ALPA because they aren't happy about it. Our company values labor peace to the point they talk about it to investors. We hold the keys to labor peace and if the company wants it they are going to have to pay for it.
Completely agree.

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These are all good things. Really good things.
Yes they are.

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This is a really good environment to negotiate yet some here want our representatives to scream "restoration" and (figuratively) kick management in the nuts.
You characterize our rational and proven desire as a "scream" and analogize restoration to figuratively "kicking management in the nuts." Didn't you just say that your angle was rational thought and how much you like fact-based debate?

Originally Posted by Oberon
Great idea. The minute you do that you lose any chance of monetizing labor peace over something a mediator likely doesn't care about. This doesn't make sense to me.
We got it Oberon. You equate wanting restoration as figuratively "kicking management in the nuts." If you really believe that, it's no wonder this doesn't make sense to you. It'll be difficult to understand each other if we mischaracterize each other this badly.

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Old 09-16-2014 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
I have absolutely, I repeat absolutely nothing to do with ALPA
Are you a member of management, perhaps?

In your small angry mind anyone who doesn't parrot your message (or TC's) must be getting paid.
Uh, I believe we're all getting paid. The trick is getting paid more. You want to continue Moakist "constructive engagement." Peace at any price. Fair enough.

I do not. I'm tired of being exploited on a one-way street management uses when it wants to, and ignores when it doesn't.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
What exactly is your message? Do you have anything of substance to add?
You do nothing but tear people down. Anyone who has an original thought you try to brand with a label.

Give me one thing you have ever contributed to the pilot group, or even this board? I will give you a helpful hint, calling people DALPA operatives isn't it. And that's the thing with you, you are a spiteful, small minded poster, trying to paint a negative picture of everyone you disagree with.

There are a lot of really smart people that contribute to our group and on this board. I'm not that bright but I know one thing for damn sure, I'm smarter than you. And when you come on here and try to diminish their idea's by name calling and belittling their thoughts it should be called out for the BS it is.
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