Details on Delta TA
10-04-2014 | 06:39 AM
#2611
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Well, I would have had a lot more fun spending it on booze and hookers, no doubt!
Putting 4 kids through college after a 42% pay cut did a number on my Note/claim money, and being out on LTD (at 50%) for 9mo. from that little bug I picked up in Kuwait City sure didn't help my cash flow or DC plan contributions.
I wonder if some numbers guru could figure out how much money you'd need to have saved up and invested, and at what rate of return, to net you what the 60% of FAE did, on a per year basis.
I'm guessing investing 15%/yr. of our bankruptcy pay today isn't going to come close to what we expected when we were hired with a 60% FAE DB plan.
Putting 4 kids through college after a 42% pay cut did a number on my Note/claim money, and being out on LTD (at 50%) for 9mo. from that little bug I picked up in Kuwait City sure didn't help my cash flow or DC plan contributions.
I wonder if some numbers guru could figure out how much money you'd need to have saved up and invested, and at what rate of return, to net you what the 60% of FAE did, on a per year basis.
I'm guessing investing 15%/yr. of our bankruptcy pay today isn't going to come close to what we expected when we were hired with a 60% FAE DB plan.
As far as being out for 9 months at 50% pay new hires reading this should let it be a lesson! Take the DPMA when it is offered. I am friends with another pilot at Delta. A incredible person however she declined the DPMA as a new hire and is facing at least a year out sick.
Take the DPMA!
10-04-2014 | 08:56 AM
#2613
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Management does not.want new hires flying 717 captain.
Many pilots choose to stay as first officers and be senior. Taking that away from them is unacceptable.
10-04-2014 | 11:19 AM
#2614
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What are you talking about? You left out some important details. Who is talking about gutting sick time? What does "monthly minimum" mean? Mandatory upgrade like up or out? Who is saying this? Why should we reject a TA for negotiations that haven't started? What is "all the leverage"?
If you didn't limit yourself to three sentence fragments per paragraph we might have a clearer idea of what you are saying.
If you didn't limit yourself to three sentence fragments per paragraph we might have a clearer idea of what you are saying.
If you had to choose between correcting grammer or accepting a $100,000 raise, you would have a tough decision to make.
The reason we can't make the gains we deserve is because pilots like you can't see the forest for the trees.
10-04-2014 | 12:04 PM
#2615
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Lots of talk about gutting our sick time. Monthly minimum. And mandatory captain upgrade.
You really hope our MEC understands making concessions is no longer necessary. None of the concessions we made in C2012 were necessary.
Let's not keep making the same mistakes.
Imagine the Wall Street Journal headline
"Delta pilots reject TA on C2015"
We have all the leverage we need.
You really hope our MEC understands making concessions is no longer necessary. None of the concessions we made in C2012 were necessary.
Let's not keep making the same mistakes.
Imagine the Wall Street Journal headline
"Delta pilots reject TA on C2015"
We have all the leverage we need.
In all seriousness the company flies pilots 18 days and wonders why so many are sick or LTD? We pay these guys how much to make decisions?
10-04-2014 | 12:25 PM
#2617
Straight QOL, homie
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
How are they going to come after our sick time? Verification after x [some number less than 100] hours? Try to have a ridiculously low amount of PTO substitute for unverified sick time?
What we need to ask ourselves: Will it require fewer pilots? Will it lower our QOL? If "yes," it's a concession. We don't need any more of those.
What we need to ask ourselves: Will it require fewer pilots? Will it lower our QOL? If "yes," it's a concession. We don't need any more of those.
10-04-2014 | 12:48 PM
#2618
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From: 747-400 Captain
We all want a "real union". Unfortunately the ideal principle ceases to exist after the union matures and grows over time. They all end up the same as the ALPA we have now or they fade away with no power to wield. ALPA is not perfect by any means. That being said constantly trying to improve it and keep it as honest as possible does a lot for us as a pilot group nationally, more than any other pilot union in our country. Throwing it away to replace it with some new one with a new name.....it will end up like all the others over time but now with many lost years of weak performance and change due to minimal resources as it grows.
ALPA is still utterly broken and self-interested. There's little doubt it always will be. However we've no other choice now but to try to force them to be less self-interested and start behaving like a union. I'm disappointed, but trust me I understand what you're saying.
Carl
10-04-2014 | 01:10 PM
#2619
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Lots of talk about gutting our sick time. Monthly minimum. And mandatory captain upgrade.
You really hope our MEC understands making concessions is no longer necessary. None of the concessions we made in C2012 were necessary.
Let's not keep making the same mistakes.
Imagine the Wall Street Journal headline
"Delta pilots reject TA on C2015"
We have all the leverage we need.
You really hope our MEC understands making concessions is no longer necessary. None of the concessions we made in C2012 were necessary.
Let's not keep making the same mistakes.
Imagine the Wall Street Journal headline
"Delta pilots reject TA on C2015"
We have all the leverage we need.
10-04-2014 | 01:14 PM
#2620
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