If history is any indication of the future, every penny we make, be it hourly rates or profit sharing, is at risk.

When the hard times hit, everything is on the chopping block.

The whole "At-Risk" discussion is bothersome to me.

The contract surveys favored keeping profit sharing as it is now.

Only two ways that can happen. First is if he was so far ahead after round 3, he could get away with only shooting par. Second is if the rest of the field shot really poorly, the third round leaders all fell behind him. Delta pilots don't lead the industry in one single section of the contract, so scenario one doesn't work. The current leaders going backward and below us in this environment seems unlikely.

So given our place on the leaderboard and the fact that tomorrow's weather looks great, Delta pilots shooting 18 pars ain't gonna win.

That's because a win isn't determined by your score on the final day (one section of a contract). A win is determined by your cumulative score from all 4 days (all sections of the contract). Currently, Delta pilots don't lead in any section of the contract. No green jacket for you Herk.

Don't know how you can say that given the fact there's only 8 months left in it.

Carl

That's true.

My reps and Donatelli's video disagree. There was no split in the survey. Members do not want profit sharing touched. Period.

DAL might even be surprised that DALPA is trying to denigrate profit sharing in the eyes of Delta pilots.

Carl

Reducing the bottom portion of profit sharing is not a big deal as long as you're aware of what it means.

1 - For example, raising the 10% threshold level can be quantified. If the level is raised and the difference is passed on directly to us what's the problem? You're still getting the same amount of money and it's guaranteed.

2 - The caveat is don't try to con us and call it a raise. It's not. It's just a shift in payment.

3 - If they said here's a 28% pay raise and oh, here's another 5% now that would have been in profit sharing - who cares? Now I'll get the money sooner.

The only problem is people not understanding this and treating the entirety of profit sharing as a sacred cow. It's not. And profit sharing is perishable. Money directly into my paycheck twice a month is a sure thing.

Source?

Where did your information come from?

Regular, dues paying members of ALPA are not allowed this type of information.

Money directly into my paycheck twice a month is a sure thing. Are you a new hire? Were you flying for KLM?

That statement is a joke.

Stop being cute. You know exactly what I'm talking about. An increased pay rate is a better guarantee than profit sharing.

What's better, $275 an hour this week and another possible 5% on Feb. 14th, or $288.75 an hour now?

Careful. You are injecting logic and rational thought into this discussion. There are a small contingent of teeth-gnashers who will have none of that.

Statements at a ALPA pub meeting made in public. Personally as I have posted in the past I would prefer to make it a guaranteed payment rather then a maybe but unlike some posters I respect the majority opinion. They even discussed conceptually what the company opener focused on.