Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861676)

I agree. I think ALPA could use some changes and improvements.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1861729)

Your backtracking is duly noted, but that's not what you said.

You described members who were on the losing side of the vote as "losers."

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1861729)

You went further to infer that we cried "process" because we couldn't accept being "losers."

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1861783)

Exactly how could ALPA use some changes and improvements?

Carl

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861792)

No, I didn't describe anybody, and I'm not backtracking. It was a complete sentence. Read it and interpret it as one.

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861504)

"Process!" cried the losers.

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861792)

No, I didn't describe anybody, and I'm not backtracking. It was a complete sentence. Read it and interpret it as one.



THAT is correct!

Count yourself as a loser if you can't comprehend how others could hold a perspective or priorities that are different than yours, so you allege some corruption of the process (or participants) for the results.

It was a vote. Your vote was cast on the losing side.

Own it.

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861797)

I like block status representation, with protections against having all reps from the same base.

There should be videotaped candidate debates available to all voters in the council. (The moderator should be someone from another ALPA carrier)

I'd like to see LEC and MEC meetings streamed via video on the secure site.

I think there should be term limits.

ALPA needs to improve the response time (staffing?) of Scheduling assistance. We have a couple of committees that have 24/7 coverage for assistance, but not Scheduling.

LEC meetings should be monthly, at the airport, and feature SMEs on a rotating schedule.

ALPA should reinstate the Forum.

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861797)

I like block status representation, with protections against having all reps from the same base.

There should be videotaped candidate debates available to all voters in the council. (The moderator should be someone from another ALPA carrier)

I'd like to see LEC and MEC meetings streamed via video on the secure site.

I think there should be term limits.

ALPA needs to improve the response time (staffing?) of Scheduling assistance. We have a couple of committees that have 24/7 coverage for assistance, but not Scheduling.

LEC meetings should be monthly, at the airport, and feature SMEs on a rotating schedule.

ALPA should reinstate the Forum.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1861390)

This again? Standard straw man arguments of every single DALPA apologist back then. So here we go again: The reps were not too dumb to know what they voted for. The reps were precisely and purposefully put in a very tough position by the MEC administration. That position was to either vote for a TA that did not meet their direction to the administration or the pilots' surveys, or vote down the TA and start again with an all new negotiating committee. The reps made the best of two very bad choices.



See above.



I know this from my reps and the reps of other bases as told to me by friends from other bases. There is no question that happened. None.



Feel free to join Karnak and Falcon in defending that MEC administration. Lots of people here remember exactly what happened...despite this occasional attempt to revise history.



Almost all of it very one sided, and some flat out misleading.



Again, nobody said you were. You're the only one making that accusation as shown by the beginning of your post. Most of the DALPA apologists follow this exact same template. Throw out a completely false premise, then put forth a passionate fight against your own false premise. Imagine the coincidence.

Carl

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861792)

Count yourself as a loser if you can't comprehend how others could hold a perspective or priorities that are different than yours,

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861792)

so you allege some corruption of the process (or participants) for the results.

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861792)

It was a vote. Your vote was cast on the losing side.

Own it.

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1861797)

I like block status representation, with protections against having all reps from the same base.

There should be videotaped candidate debates available to all voters in the council. (The moderator should be someone from another ALPA carrier)

I'd like to see LEC and MEC meetings streamed via video on the secure site.

I think there should be term limits.

ALPA needs to improve the response time (staffing?) of Scheduling assistance. We have a couple of committees that have 24/7 coverage for assistance, but not Scheduling.

LEC meetings should be monthly, at the airport, and feature SMEs on a rotating schedule.

ALPA should reinstate the Forum.