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Falcon7 04-13-2015 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1860806)
You keep trying to use the 15-4 vote as tacit proof that our union's procedures were properly followed. They were not. The proof of that is how many MEC administrators were fired afterward.
Carl

Which MEC Administers were fired and wasn't the negotiating committee chairman re-elected?

Falcon7 04-13-2015 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1860952)
And how did Tim O'Malleys re-election go? Did it meet the minimums for the majority?

In all fairness then, how did the NC Chairman's election go?

Carl Spackler 04-13-2015 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1861029)
Which MEC Administers were fired and wasn't the negotiating committee chairman re-elected?

Strategic planning, negotiating and communications committee. The fact that one of the Negotiating Committee members was later re-elected doesn't mean the firings didn't happen. It just means that particular administrator was able to make the case to the MEC that he deserved another chance.

Carl

Falcon7 04-13-2015 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1861138)
Strategic planning, negotiating and communications committee. The fact that one of the Negotiating Committee members was later re-elected doesn't mean the firings didn't happen. It just means that particular administrator was able to make the case to the MEC that he deserved another chance.

Carl

When did they get fired? If I recall there was an MEC Chairman election. Did they choose not to work for the new chairman? Did the new Chairman want others in these positions? Wouldn't making some changes be normal business after an election? Didn't the new Chairman support C2012? Also, didn't the comm chairman get elected, twice now, as Local Council Chairman at his LEC?

With regards to the NC, 2 out of three of the members of the committee were from C2012 and the other member was a rep who voted in favor of C2012.

thefoxsays 04-13-2015 12:50 PM

Delta Extends RAH E145 Contract to 2021.
 
Not sure what the future plans of DCI and 50-seaters, but Brian Bedford (Republic Airways) put out this comm to his pilots...

And we are in section 6 talks. Hhhmmmm


""For the past year, we have been discussing our strategy to consolidate to one certificate and a single fleet type by the end of 2016 if possible. With our United Express Q400 fleet scheduled to exit by September of 2016 and the scheduled expiration of our E145 Delta Connection agreement in May of 2016, we could see the pathway unfolding to make this vision a reality. Recently, we were surprised to receive notification from Delta Airlines informing us of Delta’s decision to extend its current E145 agreement with Shuttle America. Under the terms of that agreement, Delta has a unilateral option to extend our E145 flying through May, 2021. In some respects this is a bittersweet development. Of course we are thrilled Delta wants to extend its CPA with Shuttle for this flying, but it also means our plans to simplify and streamline our business model down to one fleet type by 2016 is no longer within view. This unexpected development also means we will have a lot more flying at Shuttle America than we had previously been planning. Although it is still our intention of moving to a single operating certificate over the next twenty to twenty-four months, we now need to rethink the structure and allocation of our flying for the balance of this year.

Over the past year, we have been working with Delta to improve our E145 schedules to increase the productivity and quality of life for our E145 flight crews. We know that the current strain of low block hour pairings and minimum days off was not sustainable, and an unfair burden for our flight crews. However, in the world where these aircraft were going to wind down within the year, Delta was not very receptive to provide any changes to the flight schedules. Now with Delta’s decision to extend our contract, we have been able to convince Delta to make several needed improvements to the E145 schedules, which will dramatically improve the quality of the crew pairings for that fleet. We will see some of these changes in the June bid period, even more changes will be seen over the following months, and we anticipate will continue for the foreseeable future. Another benefit of extending the E145 agreement is we will continue to have significant operations at SDF.

Overview of Changes

Significant changes to the E145 operations include increasing daily utilization for crew pairings from approximately 4 hours 15 minutes per day to close to 5 hours and 20 minutes per day. This increase in utilization will change the average schedule from 77 hours of credit with 12 to 12.5 days off to 85 hours with 14 to 15 days off. Following these changes, the Delta E145 fleet will be the second most productive fleet in our operation (only behind the Delta E170/175 fleet).

These improvements will be the result of having nine of the 38 contracted aircraft in a maintenance base every night in either CMH or SDF. Further, three aircraft will overnight in either JFK or LGA. Some aircraft will also be transitioned away from RDU and we expect some aircraft to shift from JFK to LGA. We also anticipate increased E145 flying out of Detroit, and are further discussing basing possibilities and how aircraft are dispersed with Delta. Throughout this transition, we expect trip lengths to remain consistent with what the fleet has seen over the past year.

Some of our aircraft Remain Overnight (RON) times will also be increased to greater than 11 hours, allowing single crew turns on the overnights, reducing the deadhead needed to support stages, and increasing daily crew utilization.

We anticipate that these changes will significantly increase the quality of life for our E145 crews. We will continue to work with Delta and our other Partners to achieve further schedule improvements for our crews.

Significant Growth in Total Fleet and Impact on Upgrade Time

An exciting outcome of the E145 extension is the fact that this will mean a significant increase in our planned total number of aircraft over the next few years. Based on our projections, after adjustments for the E145 extensions, we expect the upgrade time to be less than four years by the end of this year, and decrease to approximately three years in 2016. These projections are calculated using several assumptions, including anticipated attrition and the projected timing of future aircraft deliveries, which could impact the actual results.

Future Impact on the Airlines

As we look towards a single operating certificate, crew quality of life will remain a top priority. We continue to strive to be the industry leader when it comes to quality of life issues. Over the next 24 months, whether it is through a single operating certificate or through obtaining a Multiple Operations Training Compliance Program (MOTCP), it is a high priority for us to allow freedom of movement between the two certificates in a routine manner. We are currently running a dual track of moving towards a single operating certificate, while at the same time working to obtain the MOTCP status with the FAA.

These new developments on the E145 fleet will create significant changes over the next few years. We will continue to work with our Partners to create a fleet plan that includes significant growth. This growth will create a shorter upgrade time for our First Officers and the best possible career opportunities for all of our employees. Our commitment to grow the airline continues to be reflected in our ability to extend and expand our agreements with Partners like Delta.

We know you will continue to have questions. As information unfolds and we learn more from our Partners, you have our commitment to provide additional interim updates. Recognizing the information may not be complete or final, we believe this form of greater transparency throughout the process will be beneficial.

Thank you making Republic the BEST airline and for your continued professionalism and delivering on our mission of safe, clean, and reliable service."

Carl Spackler 04-13-2015 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1861159)
When did they get fired? If I recall there was an MEC Chairman election. Did they choose not to work for the new chairman? Did the new Chairman want others in these positions? Wouldn't making some changes be normal business after an election? Didn't the new Chairman support C2012? Also, didn't the comm chairman get elected, twice now, as Local Council Chairman at his LEC?

With regards to the NC, 2 out of three of the members of the committee were from C2012 and the other member was a rep who voted in favor of C2012.

You can spin it however you wish Falcon, doesn't matter to me. If you want to join Karnak in trying to portray TA2012 as having been done exactly by the book and the aftermath just normal changes in business - have at it.

Carl

dtfl 04-13-2015 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by thefoxsays (Post 1861190)
Not sure what the future plans of DCI and 50-seaters, but Brian Bedford (Republic Airways) put out this comm to his pilots...

And we are in section 6 talks. Hhhmmmm


""For the past year, we have been discussing our strategy to consolidate to one certificate and a single fleet type by the end of 2016 if possible. With our United Express Q400 fleet scheduled to exit by September of 2016 and the scheduled expiration of our E145 Delta Connection agreement in May of 2016, we could see the pathway unfolding to make this vision a reality. Recently, we were surprised to receive notification from Delta Airlines informing us of Delta’s decision to extend its current E145 agreement with Shuttle America. Under the terms of that agreement, Delta has a unilateral option to extend our E145 flying through May, 2021. In some respects this is a bittersweet development. Of course we are thrilled Delta wants to extend its CPA with Shuttle for this flying, but it also means our plans to simplify and streamline our business model down to one fleet type by 2016 is no longer within view.

Well we know Delta is going to keep SOME 50 seat service...maybe they decided to stay with Republic. I guess we need to re-re-insure our scope is rock solid.

gloopy 04-13-2015 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 1861215)
Well we know Delta is going to keep SOME 50 seat service...maybe they decided to stay with Republic. I guess we need to re-re-insure our scope is rock solid.

Big time, especially with BB salivating over even larger "RJ's".

Falcon7 04-13-2015 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1861208)
You can spin it however you wish Falcon, doesn't matter to me. If you want to join Karnak in trying to portray TA2012 as having been done exactly by the book and the aftermath just normal changes in business - have at it.

Carl

I'm not spinning Carl, because I'm not asserting everything was done exactly by the book, nor am I asserting that it wasn't. IOW I'm not joining Karnak, nor am I buying your assertion of proof just because you say so.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1860806)
You keep trying to use the 15-4 vote as tacit proof that our union's procedures were properly followed. They were not. The proof of that is how many MEC administrators were fired afterward.

The only proof I've seen from you is that the master chairman wasn't re-elected, and that the new master chairman didn't appoint all the same players. That doesn't seem unusual whenever there is a new master chairman. OTOH, the master chairman that was elected was a supporter of C2012, and as far as I can recall the negotiating committee election that followed C2012 re-elected the chairman, another member of his committee and a rep who also voted in favor. So pardon me if I'm a little skeptical of your proof. Not trying to spin, just not buying it, please don't take it personally.

Check Essential 04-13-2015 05:14 PM

Karnak & Falcon-
You lose credibility by trying to claim the C2012 process was not manipulated by a small group of DALPA's permanent apparatchiks. We all saw what happened.
The MEC reps got out-maneuvered. Nobody's saying it was illegal or even immoral. It was just good old fashioned hardball politics. Our reps were totally unprepared for it. They never knew what hit 'em.
I hope they are ready this time because a lot of those same players are still in the game.


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