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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1740546)

Any way you can fix your posts to automatically play The Battle Hymn of the Republic when they are clicked on?

That or burning down the house. You pick.

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1740529)

We do not have a minimum. The FAs have a minimum, but I believe it's a 3 month minimum, i.e. They have to fly a minimum of X hours every 3 months. I think x is 45 hours, but not sure.

It's a yearly minimum. They have to credit 540 hours or lose benefits the following year.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1740628)

I have no idea why we're discussing it. Jerry brought it up, and stated that management hates it when a pilot drops down to zero. I'm saying that I don't think they care, because it can actually save them money.

So far it's been a non issue for the company. There have been virtually no part time pilots. I know of one in ATL.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1740535)

Never forget, Management's JOB is to always get the most, for the least.

They want us to do the most flying, for the least pay/benefits, i.e. become "More Efficient".

DALPA wants the exact same thing. It provides the least risk to ALPA national...which is the prime objective.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1740535)

But DALPA's JOB is to PROTECT our JOBS, and make sure we are getting paid the MOST, for the least amount of 'work'.

One would think so, but not anymore. ALPA is an insurance company now. Collect the dues (insurance premiums), then work tirelessly to minimize risk to the insurance company so claims never have to be paid out. Keeping labor risk "completely off the table" is how you best minimize the risk of ever paying a claim.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1740535)

The bankruptcy and now profit sharing, stock price, etc. seems to have changed DALPA's (and many pilot's) mind set. They now seem to want to do Management's job for them, and make us "More Efficient" vs. protecting (and restoring) OUR PAY AND BENEFITS!

From the top of ALPA National on down to our MEC level, they seem to have forgotten that they are 'blue collar' worker bees, not Management Wonks, and they seem to have forgotten WHO they are supposed to be representing.

100% correct. ALPA national isn't even pretending to be a union anymore. It sees it's future as insurance to pilots...as long as they can scare pilots into believing they need the ALPA job insurance service.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1740535)

The line pilots see this too, and that's why so few have bothered to spend the time to fill out the surveys.

The attitude on the line is, "Look how much good it did last time..."

True again. Although I've urged everyone to fill it out anyway. It will be ignored, but we need to fill it out.

It would have been great if we had all taken screen shots of each page of the survey, then had the results compiled by a third party survey vendor. Man would that have made DALPA mad.

Carl

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1740546)

Any way you can fix your posts to automatically play The Battle Hymn of the Republic when they are clicked on?

Any way we can have your posts play the French National Anthem?

Carl

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1740625)

As strongly as we feel about the value of our profession, that value is set by the market, i.e., what someone is willing to pay us for our services and what we are willing to accept to perform them.

You're correctly describing a non-union occupation Alan. Which may well be a Freudian slip on your part.

Our value is set by the power and influence of collective bargaining, not the free market system. The fact that you and so many others don't see that is disappointing and does not bode well.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1740698)

Our value is set by the power and influence of collective bargaining, not the free market system.

The power and influence of collective bargaining is one part of the free market system. Other parts include profitability of the employer, relative compensation levels at other carriers, etc.

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1740640)

No "clear cut answers." It hasn't been tried in our particular situation. The others who have tried restoration have done so in a very different environment from the one in which we find ourselves today.

And it is on the strategy that has been employed so far that there is disagreement. Some would argue that it has failed because we have not yet restored our compensation to what we had before. Others would argue that it has succeeded because we continue to lead the other mainline carriers.

As you say, a significantly more aggressive posture has not been tried in our situation, so there is no clear cut answer as to whether it would succeed. Ergo, my initial argument that calling those who would disagree with such a posture as being "misguided or dumb" is inappropriate. They may well be wrong, but that is no reason to malign them.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1740729)

We are going to continue to disagree. I believe it is extremely misguided and dumb in this situation to have no clearly stated restorative objective and, even worse, to act like you don't expect anything of the sort. I believe that is self evident. Your mileage may vary.

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1740730)

Fair enough. While I may or may not share your opinion as to the best strategy to employ at this point in time, I believe that it is the utmost in arrogance to proclaim such opinions of a person regarding a subject about which you and I can only conjecture.