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Oberon 10-06-2014 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1740880)
Then there is the human nature to feel as though the part time flying with full benefits costs money somehow, regardless of who picks up the hours and how.

This seems to be the most likely scenario other than gzsg making the whole story up. Even if someone in management decided they want this at some point they would cost it out and figure out it's more or less worthless. Or they would overestimate it's value (unlikely) and try to trade it for something.

Would you trade unlimited drops for a 6 hour min day? That's a pretty unlikely scenario but illustrates how you can generate value from a "concession".

sailingfun 10-06-2014 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1740817)
What does company gain by forcing pilots to fly some minimum number? If a pilot drops his line via the trade board it's cost neutral, if he drops into open time the company saves the value of the dropped trips. It doesn't make sense that the company would care one way or the other.

As far as I can tell the only reason we are discussing it is because gzsg posted it. He may have made it up, which isn't totally crazy given he didn't bother to mention where his rumors originate.


There are two reasons why the company would not like this if it becomes wide spread. The first is if you have a 2 pilots flying half schedules each month the company has to hire a third pilot to cover the flying. They are now paying 3 benefit packages.
The second reason is pilots in this situation are more likely to drop trips during peak flying periods like summer and holidays. This makes staffing more unpredictable and increases premium flying.
So far however none of this has been a issue since it's been very rare.
It might however get more common as the number of over 60 pilots increased.

sailingfun 10-06-2014 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1740822)
The conjecture of how best to maximize the value of our profession. You have an opinion based on your dissatisfaction of our reps' progress so far relative to C2K. Others have a different opinion based on our reps' progress so far relative to our peers.

Many of us have a different opinion because we have looked at what has worked and what has not worked over the last 15 years. We also have watched how the NMB has functioned and read their statements.

tsquare 10-06-2014 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1740880)
No concessions.

That is a ridiculous stance. There will be a concession of some sort. It is seriously delusional to think it will be all one way.

Timbo 10-06-2014 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1740936)
This seems to be the most likely scenario other than gzsg making the whole story up. Even if someone in management decided they want this at some point they would cost it out and figure out it's more or less worthless. Or they would overestimate it's value (unlikely) and try to trade it for something.

Would you trade unlimited drops for a 6 hour min day? That's a pretty unlikely scenario but illustrates how you can generate value from a "concession".

And that kind of a trade would screw anyone who was trying to drop a high time trip, if it meant their line would go below a certain value.

While on the surface, a 6hr. min day in trades sounds great, and it would work for the domestic trips, most of our 8+ hour International legs won't benefit by a 6hr. min day, but WILL be affected if you have a 30-45+ hour international trip on your 80hr. line and you want to drop it, to pick up something else, or just get some time off.

Beware of what you ask for, you might get it! :eek:

Perhaps there should be a different rules for International trips vs. domestic trips, when it comes to min line value, min hrs./day, etc.?

And then there's the whole Green Slip game too...drop all your trips, and only pick up greenslips, double your line value in an understaffed category? Maybe that's what they are really after?

sailingfun 10-06-2014 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1740936)
This seems to be the most likely scenario other than gzsg making the whole story up. Even if someone in management decided they want this at some point they would cost it out and figure out it's more or less worthless. Or they would overestimate it's value (unlikely) and try to trade it for something.

Would you trade unlimited drops for a 6 hour min day? That's a pretty unlikely scenario but illustrates how you can generate value from a "concession".

Keep in mind that DALPA and management have not had a single discussion about the next contract.

tsquare 10-06-2014 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1740946)
Keep in mind that DALPA and management have not had a single discussion about the next contract.

Not according to Jerry. You'd think it had already been inked.

LivingTheDream 10-06-2014 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by LowPhlyer (Post 1740900)
The past will keep repeating as long as 60% keep acquiescing.

This eggzactly!

Obtw, 63% is not a mandate... it's barely squeaking by. 83% is a mandate.

Oberon 10-06-2014 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by LivingTheDream (Post 1740954)
This eggzactly!

Obtw, 63% is not a mandate... it's barely squeaking by. 83% is a mandate.

I don't know about "mandate" but 63-37 is a landslide in any election.

Purple Drank 10-06-2014 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1740955)
I don't know about "mandate" but 63-37 is a landslide in any election.

Oberon, why do you post here? What is your agenda? :confused:


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