Certainly. "Just a line pilot on my own." :rolleyes:

So you would gladly monetize your profit sharing for the orgasmic "book rates". Only then would your, in fact, 30%+ increase in W-2 count?

That would be fine with me. However, I just look at my W-2 at the end of the year. Go back and look at your W-2 in 2011 and compare it to your W-2 in 2014. I did and mine is, in fact, 37.5% more. Same seat, same airplane, no green slips in either year.

That "pig" sure looks pretty.

Curious to know if you have been flying more credit hours compared to 2011.

If so, then how much more?

No, pretty much just straight block hours. Majority of it JFK transcons during the winter and international during the summer.

I thought that was the topic, too. Then you wrote this: "The rest of your list is already afforded through a line pilots decision to trade off with their overall seniority."

So I used an issue that causes a natural rift in the pilot group to illustrate that there are differing opinions regarding seniority. We address the issue collectively, even though we know many of us will - naturally - disagree on the solution.

"Direct role"? You mean like directly voting on whether or not the deal is acceptable? It's the final and most direct role. That's like saying the Supreme Court doesn't have a direct role in laws because it doesn't pass them or execute them.

With the exception of your characterization of the "campaign", I'd say your view of history is right on. I think an MEC that sends out a deal that fails to be ratified has done a poor job of determining what most of us want. If we do a good job giving our reps input, the deal will pass.

From yesterday's MEC meeting notes:


That's a far cry from the "historic"'contract Donatelli pledged to deliver.

It sounds like...wait for it....

We'll get 'em next time!!

I assume that's what you listed on your survey. What if that's not what most of us would consider acceptable? What if our MEC has input that shows only 15-20% of us consider that minimally "acceptable"?

My theory is that our pilot group has gotten so large and diversified in priorities that it is impossible to determine overwhelming consensus on many issues.

That's what I put on my survey, too! Let's see if our (your's and mine) unanimous opinion on that is shared by the pilots that are 25 years younger than us, and sitting Reserve in the right seat. Their input and ratification vote counts just as much as your's and mine.

Simple! Everybody listen up…Timbo has settled the issue once and for all! :D

I know you get my point. You don't have to agree with it, which is…I guess…the point.

Karnak, I've asked many times, of many people, but have never gotten an answer:

Why are we NOT using the same strategy we used for C2K

Why not "Restore the Profession" right now? (I've still got my tie tack)


In light of the fact that to Save Delta, we gave up historic pay cuts, QOL work rules (PBS) and losses in benefits and retirements, why are we not DEMANDING to be restored, now that the industry has consolidated, and every Major is making Historic Profits?

How much more money does Delta have to earn before we DEMAND to be restored to our pre-bankruptcy pay/benefits? Is $4.5 Billion not enough? Is $6 Billion not enough? How about $10 Billion, still too little?

Why won't our MEC even address how much of those profits came directly from OUR pay/benefit cuts?

The MEC acts as if the Lost Decade never even happened. WHY?

Yep, I read it the same way.

"We have an opportunity to"
- not "We WILL"

"cement gains"
- not "negotiate for significant gains" (What does this mean, btw? Aren't our current gains already cemented by way of our existing contract?)

"put into motion"
- not "set a new precedent with Contract 2015"

"the kind of"
- weak speak - ALPA is so good to always leave themselves an out

"long-term, upward trajectory"
- In other words, ain't gonna happen on this contract, but maybe next time.

"that our pilots have told us so many times they desire;"
- through a top secret survey we would sooner die than release to the pilots lest they become aware they don't stand alone in their high expectations

"to put the keystone....."
Blah blah blah - absolutely painful to read.

"in the bridge..."
- This will not be a historic contract, but it may, might, could possibly be the link to a somewhat good contract well in the future.

Absolutely right. I said this prior to TA2012 and I'll say it again. This MEC administration (exactly like the previous) spends every day strategically planning how to MIScommunicate with members. It's a constant effort to communicate while misinforming.

Remember all the daily emails from the MEC explaining every detail of how the Section 6 process will work, the NMB and the RLA? Now we have to go digging for the above referenced document by logging in to ALPA.org, then the MEC, then click on a banner ad. As bad as this weasel-worded document was, it's telling that it didn't come via email...you have to go looking for it. This tells me Donatelli was worried that he may have accidentally said something substantive while weasel-wording.

Krispy Kreme product of the week: "The Donutelli" - Mostly holes and a poor value for your money. Get them while they last though because it's a fleeting opportunity.

Carl