EdGrimley

Funny and sad at the same time. I'm having flashbacks to C2012. I know at least one guy that's not too effected by "mature pilot contracts". Give to the right people and you'll be famous and money won't be an issue.

Big E 757

Is he still allowed to call himself Captain? What is he a Captain of these days?

Mesabah

You know how it is.....you spend your whole career fighting management, and I mean really sticking it to them for the pilots you represent....then when you retire, management funnels you millions for your efforts.

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shiznit

Wrong, flat out wrong. They don't even admit as much in the op-ed. they use words like "for whatever reason" and "seems". No mention of any "corruption of governance" or like statements. There is a clear mechanism to remedy corruption, and there is a ethical and legal responsibility to take appropriate action to address such activity. Sending an op-ed that throws your NC and MEC under the bus doesn't fit that bill.
Not at all, no one is happy with concessions. Undermining the negotiators doesn't help undo concessions.
It's not the ONLY thing, and save the pilot anger for when it can be leveraged.. The AA pilots were disgruntled all the time and the media, stock market, their own management just ignored them because it was part of the everyday existence. The leverage that the Delta pilots get to exert is that Richard has said "labor risk is off the table", remember? The ability to promise labor risk is a tool for the MEC and NC to use, but they don't get multiple shots once unleashed. It's use should be strategically placed on the table when needed, not thrown around by some local council missive and flushed down the drain.

The timing of it definitely couldn't be worse, right before direct negotiations enter the compensation discussions. If the opposition (management) already knows you are against whatever the NC brings forward, why bother offering anything? When in a business deal, there has to be an expectation that a deal can be reached. Walking in and saying, "No, I won't agree to or listen to anything you say" is not rational or reasonable.

Not naive, just willing to let the guys who helped pave the way for C2K do their thing now that it's their turn.
To use a "Carlism":

You have no way of knowing that. None. You're just a line pilot like the rest of us.

Oddly enough I agree and it applies to you too!
You are so bad at translation Carl. You don't have that right with me.

I think we have an absolutely spectacularly successful PS plan. (hatched and negotiated by the oft reviled Moak, O'Malley, Pinho, etc.) All it shows is that "winding the clock" isn't as economically advantageous as it may seem on the surface.
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Flamer

If d-baggery were a word, it would be appropriate here.

Purple Drank

C'mon, man. Profit sharing was negotiated BEFORE C12. You know that. All O'Malley did was trade it away and disengenuously include it in our "raise."

Those other guys stumbled onto profit sharing. To think they foresaw the insane profits Delta is enjoying now, is complete bull****. No one saw these profits coming. Not anyone in management.. If they had anticipated profits like this ...they wouldn't have given it to us!!

Now that the Dalpa administrators realize how much profit sharing costs the company, they (and you) are pulling out all the stops to find some way to give it back to them. Why?

Sink r8

Huh, scuse me!? The Delta pilots of that period read the 1113 documents, our amended contract, and our W-2's, and we knew there were billions there, since we were giving them those billions. There wasn't any question in anyone's mind that the company would be VERY profitable. The problem many of us had is that we didn't know how soon, and how much we would get back. The guys that engineered/negotiated the PS have a claim to the credit, they own it. We gave them hell over it, in fact.

Were you here when the PS was negotiated by them, and funded by me and a few thousand guys I know?

Big E 757

Aww jeez, here we go. We are all supposed to be on the same team Sink. Way to divide us again, bud. We have all funded the enormous profits the Company is pulling in right now, but it won't last forever. This is our last chance to get those contributions back.

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