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06-05-2015 | 03:02 PM
#5761
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Oh my.... This is not a good way to do math. Your 5th grade teacher should be ashamed. Get your son or daughter in the room, you need assistance!
Conditions:
206.69/hr
16.5% PS
75 pay hours per month
(the actual average pay hours per month is 89, but I like the idea of working from 75, why work extra!)
You also leave out the 15% DC, which is paid as regular after-tax income to a pilot once he has reached the 415c limits. That's real money too.
STATUS QUO:
206.69 x 12 x 75 = $186,021 + PS of 16.5% = $216,714
With 15% DC = 249,221
Two year total = $498,442
With the Booger's rumored numbers:
2015 Jan.-June 206.69 x 6 x 75 = $93,010
2015 July-Dec. (+8%) 223.22 x 6 x 75 = $100,451
2015 total $193,461 + PS of 16.5% = $225,382
2015 With DC 15% = $259,189
2016
(+6%) 236.62 x 12 x 75 = $212,958
PS = 10.75% (16.5%-5.75%)
212,958 + PS 10.75% = $235,851
With DC 15% = $271,229
Two year total = $530,418
That is actually a hypothetical increase to that hypothetical pilot of $31,975.
Using your numbers it equates to:
His 2015 earnings being 4% higher than without said hypothetical deal.
His 2016 earnings being 8.8% higher than without said hypothetical deal.
Quite a difference from the 2.25% you errantly compiled!
(Let's not get into what the compounding of the DC and the equivalent of an extra mortgage payment of over $1776 per month can do!)
In the future, please do your math correctly or leave it to those who can.....
Conditions:
206.69/hr
16.5% PS
75 pay hours per month
(the actual average pay hours per month is 89, but I like the idea of working from 75, why work extra!)
You also leave out the 15% DC, which is paid as regular after-tax income to a pilot once he has reached the 415c limits. That's real money too.
STATUS QUO:
206.69 x 12 x 75 = $186,021 + PS of 16.5% = $216,714
With 15% DC = 249,221
Two year total = $498,442
With the Booger's rumored numbers:
2015 Jan.-June 206.69 x 6 x 75 = $93,010
2015 July-Dec. (+8%) 223.22 x 6 x 75 = $100,451
2015 total $193,461 + PS of 16.5% = $225,382
2015 With DC 15% = $259,189
2016
(+6%) 236.62 x 12 x 75 = $212,958
PS = 10.75% (16.5%-5.75%)
212,958 + PS 10.75% = $235,851
With DC 15% = $271,229
Two year total = $530,418
That is actually a hypothetical increase to that hypothetical pilot of $31,975.
Using your numbers it equates to:
His 2015 earnings being 4% higher than without said hypothetical deal.
His 2016 earnings being 8.8% higher than without said hypothetical deal.
Quite a difference from the 2.25% you errantly compiled!
(Let's not get into what the compounding of the DC and the equivalent of an extra mortgage payment of over $1776 per month can do!)
In the future, please do your math correctly or leave it to those who can.....
Wow, we both thought of the 5th grade math teacher at the same time.
If I may add one thing to your example:
The 2015 pay increase is really only for the last half of the year. The 4% annual increase is mathematically correct, but it sort of understates the true value of the increase.
06-05-2015 | 03:18 PM
#5763
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
I have no proof. Just a comparison of styles and phrases between this and the chitchat forums.
In all fairness, would you expect a guy to admit to those things if he could plausibly deny them? I wouldn't admit, either.
Back to your regularly scheduled sales job.
In all fairness, would you expect a guy to admit to those things if he could plausibly deny them? I wouldn't admit, either.
Back to your regularly scheduled sales job.
06-05-2015 | 03:21 PM
#5764
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Any chance of getting DPA to file a class action lawsuit against your 5th grade math teacher?
For folks that make 200K a year your ability to perform basic math is sad.
I get that we all want a big pay raise. I don't think it's axing too much to run the numbers for yourself and not bite on an Abbott and Costillo math skit.
For folks that make 200K a year your ability to perform basic math is sad.
I get that we all want a big pay raise. I don't think it's axing too much to run the numbers for yourself and not bite on an Abbott and Costillo math skit.
But we can change that.
06-05-2015 | 03:28 PM
#5765
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06-05-2015 | 03:37 PM
#5768
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If the TA is no good, we send it back. The mentality that we only get one chance to negotiate a timely agreement is foolish. We've negotiated 2 contracts in less than 5 months. I think we could send it back, fine tune some items, and see a better product in a short period. Someone at the table seems to be in a hurry to get an agreement, why would they suddenly change their tactics.
06-05-2015 | 04:36 PM
#5769
Racketeer
Joined: Mar 2015
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We have never sent it back. That would be: breaking tradition or policy or procedure or will of national or no confidence requiring recall or lack of trust or rational thought or your not a team player or we have a manual and its not in here or we just can't. OK, that's just the way it is so wait for the sales job and buy the goods. There will be no independent unbiased neutral release because you can't handle the truth. At least not without our framing it first.
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