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Purple Drank 06-06-2015 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1897241)
Are you ready to wait 3 years like SWAPA?
Yes.

I'll keep cashing ps checks while I wait.

Consider it a bonus for NOT signing.

Question is, can management wait 3 years?

Bananie 06-06-2015 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1897243)
Yes.

I'll keep cashing ps checks while I wait.

Question is, can management wait 3 years?
This is one of the silliest comments ever. Southwest last had a raise in 2011. Their contract was amendable right around the time ALPA negotiated the Delta contract in 2012. They could have gotten our 20% raise and now be negotiating again. They got 0% and are still negotiating. And you think that's better? 0 is better than 20? In what universe do you live.

Hawaii50 06-06-2015 01:24 PM
Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1897230)
Their union isn't panicking to meet the CEO's artificially condensed timeline in the best negotiating environment we may ever see.

I'm happy to wait RA out for the right deal.

Ah. SPC. A three letter combo we'll never see from "our" "union" as long as the current junta is in power.
Yep they're waiting to piggyback on our deal. Leading the way would have been nice considering they had a 3 year head start. I wouldn't hold them up as a shining example of union hood. There's been no one for us to pattern off for the last decade plus. American's deal is really no help with their largely intact retirements no profit sharing and the crappy work rules they have. I expect a lot from this deal and will be happy to wait like you if it's not enough. We'll find out if our guys panicked next week and vote accordingly.

dc10guy 06-06-2015 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1897241)
Are you ready to wait 3 years like SWAPA? Time is money. How much are you willing to spend? When they finally get an agreement, back that money up to the amendable date and see how modest the raises could have been to replicate the same performance. Math is good in that way, it cuts through the BS and shows that maybe "stones" aren't as valuable as some folks on this board make them out to be. Maybe we can get a nuetral's opinion and ask American and US Airways pilots about "stones" and how time and money passed them by.
Yes I can. There is alot of new posters now.

Vikz09 06-06-2015 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1897241)
Are you ready to wait 3 years like SWAPA? Time is money. How much are you willing to spend? When they finally get an agreement, back that money up to the amendable date and see how modest the raises could have been to replicate the same performance. Math is good in that way, it cuts through the BS and shows that maybe "stones" aren't as valuable as some folks on this board make them out to be. Maybe we can get a nuetral's opinion and ask American and US Airways pilots about "stones" and how time and money passed them by.
Yes, I will wait years. I will keep my profit sharing untouched. If rumors are correct, that will be 5.75%, I will loose on this early deal. I will also receive approximately 3 % from the match of American and United rates (if you think management isn't giving raises next year to the rest of the employees your crazy). So the worst thing that I see, is I would loose 8% for the remainder of this year. I also keep my dignity and for once in my life tell management that I am better than their cheap bribes! Chin HI, I will still see raises without a deal.

Purple Drank 06-06-2015 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by Bananie (Post 1897245)
This is one of the silliest comments ever.
A willingness to maximize our leverage is "one of the silliest comments ever?"

I'm sensing desperation from the sales team.

DeadHead 06-06-2015 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1897084)
Oops, wrong again as usual. After the ratification we get a breakdown of the vote by council and it isn't secret info. In fact, why don't you ask your rep for it. You've outed yourself as an idiot.
When you say "WE", who exactly are you talking about? The pilot group?

My LEC reps tell me that even revealing base-specific voting demographics could qualify as circumnavigation of anonymity.

To review this was my post to you....

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1897047)
Seeing as the voting process is anonymous, how are you able to ascertain that councils 1 & 20 had the highest numbers of yes voters amongst line pilots for c2012?

Just curious.

I didn't think DALPA broke down memrat vote demographics after a TA. If they do any idea where one would be able to find that information?

Any chance of an adult discussion or are you more interested in arguing and name calling?

Bigflya 06-06-2015 02:04 PM
Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1897241)
Are you ready to wait 3 years like SWAPA? Time is money. How much are you willing to spend? When they finally get an agreement, back that money up to the amendable date and see how modest the raises could have been to replicate the same performance. Math is good in that way, it cuts through the BS and shows that maybe "stones" aren't as valuable as some folks on this board make them out to be. Maybe we can get a nuetral's opinion and ask American and US Airways pilots about "stones" and how time and money passed them by.
Sharpest, you must have been the guy in the smoky boardroom who came up with the "time value of money" catch phrase. You are riding it to the end. What's the time value of respect and dignity. I have to hear those words from RA's mouth every time I fly in the back. Why don't we respect and dignify ourselves?

scambo1 06-06-2015 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1897211)
That's pretty funny. Jumpseat on them and see how they feel. 3 years plus past amenable date and company wants a flattish contract. They're a great company with great people but SWAPA invented working with management (as some so often complain about here) and signed a 10 year contract once. 3 years past and they just formed a SPC. Yes a real "union" waits years for someone else to do the heavy lifting.
Hawaii,

I agree with everything you said except the last sentance. I think you are pre-supposing DALPA did some heavy lifting.

Just an aside. I wrote a letter to a rep detailing some of the concessionary rumors and my stance on them...along with some items that I think should be included in "the worlds greatest airline contract."

His response: "I hear you."

Take it how you will.

sailingfun 06-06-2015 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1897252)
Yes, I will wait years. I will keep my profit sharing untouched. If rumors are correct, that will be 5.75%, I will loose on this early deal. I will also receive approximately 3 % from the match of American and United rates (if you think management isn't giving raises next year to the rest of the employees your crazy). So the worst thing that I see, is I would loose 8% for the remainder of this year. I also keep my dignity and for once in my life tell management that I am better than their cheap bribes! Chin HI, I will still see raises without a deal.
There is no match required next year even if management grants raises to the other employees.


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