It's all hypothetical right now.

Unfortunately, everyone is hyper focused on pay rates. I understand that, but there is so much more.

Every FO should be up in arms about LCA trips removed from their bidding options as an example. And frankly, I cannot imagine the union would even consider it. However, it's as strong a rumor as pay rates. Disclaimer, I don't work that angle, but get better trips because more senior guys do work that angle.

Exactly^^^^

We will find out soon enough next week. Everyone is going to have to look at the TA and decide, based on their best interest, if they want to vote yes or no. Sounds terrible but it's true. A guy that might not make it 2 years of drawn out contract negotiations is going to vote differently than someone that has time to spare. I personally have a percentage pay raise, that does not include a PS giveback, that this thing needs to hit for me to check yes. If it doesn't hit that percentage or it hits that percentage but it requires me to self fund it via a PS giveback then the other parts of the contract had better be off the charts good. We will see next week.

It's a completely different negotiating environment today verses 2012. Most pilots recognize that.

I'm sure some vote selfishly. But I like to believe us old guys benefited greatly from the pilots who came before us.

When I vote, I vote for our profession.

I'm no so sure.

For example, I'm in that 5 year window you describe. Old Ferd likes his profit sharing and doesn't want it touched and all raises need to be on top of it. 30something Ferd would be yelling from the rooftops to ditch it, we were nuts to get on that crackpipe to begin with. Who knew it would become so profitable

So, not all cats fit in the same boxes. Be careful with blanket statements.

Ferd

Are you willing to give up any PS to get those rates? I'll bet in addition to Anderson's pay increase, his "at risk" compensation went up too.

How does that seem high. Direct raises are up to 20% now plus increases in the DC plan, vacation, training. Reserves got another 7 to 8% bump. With the average pilot earning close to 200k in 2014 the 30 to 35k number is on the low side.

Let's all get down on our knees and accept whatever Mike Campbell is offering before it's too late!

Never mind our execs are up over 700% since chapter 11. Never mind the billions given to the shareholders since management does know what to do with the money. Never mind the bankruptcy concessions still in our pwa.

Thank you sir, May I have another.

Well here is one thing that could be a game changer. If they pay banded aircraft and most will be brought up to the highest pay level. Like 330 and 767-400 to th 747and 777 or 320 737 to er pay, plus a 9/6/3/3 raise for the highest banded level, that could be huge! Just dreaming..