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06-08-2015 | 06:40 AM
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From: Kickin’ Back
Serious question:
Would you trade 10% lower payrates for 10% higher profit sharing?
I certainly wouldn't.
So why the angst over a "rumor" of the converse? How did profit sharing become some sacred cow, when for many years on many properties it was worthless? Shoot, I recall the derision when it was negotiated in the first place.
I'm all for keeping the top end of profit sharing. It protects us from looking like schmucks if the company is wildly successful. But why wouldn't I trade some of the bottom end? It's a defined number. Give it to me in my payrates.
It seems many here are making the mistake of believing these good times will last forever.
I'm all for exchanging a "probably" dollar tomorrow for a "definitely" dollar today.
Would you trade 10% lower payrates for 10% higher profit sharing?
I certainly wouldn't.
So why the angst over a "rumor" of the converse? How did profit sharing become some sacred cow, when for many years on many properties it was worthless? Shoot, I recall the derision when it was negotiated in the first place.
I'm all for keeping the top end of profit sharing. It protects us from looking like schmucks if the company is wildly successful. But why wouldn't I trade some of the bottom end? It's a defined number. Give it to me in my payrates.
It seems many here are making the mistake of believing these good times will last forever.
I'm all for exchanging a "probably" dollar tomorrow for a "definitely" dollar today.
Denny
06-08-2015 | 06:41 AM
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I think we all agree with the concept of "monetizing" PS. What most of us don't agree with is calling "monetizing" PS a raise a month after they approved 5 BILLION in stock buybacks and increased dividends.
How about we settle the TA without touching PS. If they want to monetize PS we can do that via the LOA process once we agree on a contract. We shouldn't be doing this inside the section 6 negotiations. I think we all said that in our contract surveys which obviously mean nothing.
How about we settle the TA without touching PS. If they want to monetize PS we can do that via the LOA process once we agree on a contract. We shouldn't be doing this inside the section 6 negotiations. I think we all said that in our contract surveys which obviously mean nothing.
I don't believe from what I'm reading here that we all agree on monetizing. That was the reason I asked the question.
When we do it is certainly up for discussion. I'm good with doing it anytime, you prefer outside of section six. Again, fair point.
06-08-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Nothing wrong with that at all. I never suggested that we "buy" anything. I want all the money we can get! I'd just like more of it to be guaranteed.
06-08-2015 | 06:47 AM
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From: Urban chicken rancher.
You want to know what a split MEC tells me? It tells me the deal is NOT good enough. A deal that is a clear win is going to garner a clear majority of votes not just barely pass or fail the MEC.
As far as APA goes..........I think you are comparing apples and oranges. I agree that we broke the log jam with C2012. It's a minor reason for why I voted for it. We have a much better current/active contract than they did for those years. Again, why can't we follow the foot print of negotiations for C2001?
Denny
As far as APA goes..........I think you are comparing apples and oranges. I agree that we broke the log jam with C2012. It's a minor reason for why I voted for it. We have a much better current/active contract than they did for those years. Again, why can't we follow the foot print of negotiations for C2001?
Denny
06-08-2015 | 06:55 AM
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There are two polarizing topics if you read though all the BS the last few weeks.
1. Funding a raise in rates with the value of monetized PS.
2. Sick leave changes.
If we did not have rumors of those two issues, 95% of the hysteria would not be here.
I'm 99.5% certain that both of those will be in the TA that none of us have seen yet. My survey said don't do anything with PS and don't do anything with sick leave unless you want to IMPROVE it. So, if they attempt to monetize PS and have something other than an improved sick leave section, I'm a no vote. I won't even waste my time attending a road show.
06-08-2015 | 06:56 AM
#6227
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From: Light Chop
I must be missing something then because last I checked the TA hasn't been released to the membership for review. Secondly, the LEC reps I've talked to have said that PS sharing concessions weren't even in the company's opener.
Perhaps you and the rest of the "long time lurkers, first time posters" know something we don't.
Perhaps you and the rest of the "long time lurkers, first time posters" know something we don't.
It was here that people started talking at risk and guaranteed pay while at the same time RA was telling the LCA that PS wouldn't be touched.
06-08-2015 | 06:57 AM
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06-08-2015 | 06:59 AM
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