It is discouraging. But, for everyone of these, there is another one that won't throw you under the bus. It's an abrogation of seniority. We all live under a seniority system. Look them in the eye and ask them how if feels to take money from your children.

Everyone looks at this through their own prism. I look at the contract as a whole and how it effects me and my family.

If anyone, an FO, thinks this contract is bad for them - they should vote No.

But look at everything and make the decision based on the entire contract with as much knowledge as you can gain through all sources.

I do like the money (would have liked more) but I am still evaluating everything.

Loud and clear.

ER,

Everyone has their cause. In my case, I'm not all that upset about converting PS to wages. I am unhappy that the increase on 1/1/16 is not a pure pay raise. I don't think it should have been a quid pro quo. Rather, it should have been placed on top of raises. I'm not really into self-funding. I'm unhappy, but I could live with it.

What really disturbs me more is top and bottom scope concessions, R&I concessions, significant work rule concessions, heinous sick leave concessions and that stinking .05 per diem increase.

I'm disturbed that the Company is dangling shiny new aircraft.

I'm disturbed that the ratification period is so compressed. That makes me wonder what we are missing in the big picture.

I keep asking myself, Where's the fire? What's the big rush?

Profit Sharing removes the TVM issue. In my judgment, in this current business environment, this contract shouldn't have contained these sorts of concessions.

C'mon get real. We're not gonna fly a C-152 across the Atlantic. But... What if they decide we were right about Delta Private Jets and they should be flown by Delta pilots. One private jet = A-380. I know it's a stretch, but the EASK was hard sold as a huge advantage to Delta Pilots. The DALPA spin machine did such a good job convincing me why the EASK with the JV was good for us. I'm sticking with that decision.

Copy all. Everybody has a "but what about me" threshold. Some are lower than others. Some much lower.

We owe it to ourselves and the profession to have answers for those who only attend the road shows. We have a responsibility to educate every voter we come in contact with about the downsides of the contract. DALPA has the limited upsides thoroughly covered already.

I'm okay with my name on there.

I don't think those on FPL posting have an evil agenda. I think they're trying to get the facts out there. That said, they don't have all the angles figured out on this complicated TA.

I know what you're saying about "this environment". I think that too but I also look at APPL with 1/5 of a trillion in the bank and printing money and their employees are paid what they're worth. They're not all getting 100% raises. There is not a 1:1 correlation with profit to pay raise. I think our pay rates are based on what American just got. They got we were making based on our profit sharing. It's a vicious circle. We're not going to get pay rates 15% more than American plus a profit sharing check for 20%.

Maybe this is where the fire (i.e., MEMRAT scheduled to close on 10 July) is:

Delta Air Lines, Inc. (DAL) Earnings Report Date | NASDAQ.com

Delta Air Lines, Inc. is expected* to report earnings on 07/15/2015 before market open. The report will be for the fiscal Quarter ending Jun 2015. According to Zacks Investment Research, based on 10 analysts' forecasts, the consensus EPS forecast for the quarter is $1.24. The reported EPS for the same quarter last year was $1.04.

LCA bidding solution
 

Im going to suggest we allow the company to place LCA bidding ahead of regular line captains- THEN pull the trips from the FO's.

That way we ALL get screwed from this deal!!

The idea we're going to allow DAL to screw with our bidding seniority, and our UNION IS OK WITH IT- leaves me utterly baffled.

DPA card is in the mail with a check.

-mid seniority FO
NO VOTE