Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1902646)

Check my schedule if you want to find out if I'm collecting FPL.

Is accusing someone of being on FPL your best line of attack when someone thinks this TA might be okay to vote yes on. FYI: I'm still undecided. Leaning yes now.

Look, the concessions suck. I do not like the sick leave change or the LCA change. But we still get 14 days of sick leave no questions asked. And 270 a year for whatever you want with a note. Shouldn't affect anyone. If you need surgery get a note and get it done. If you're sick you're covered for 270. Sick leave has some improvements too.

LCA OE PBS pulls - an argument could be made that this is a big deal for FO's. They will have to judge that against the pay raise, etc. I'm not going to preach for this change. I don't like it.

The 5 cent a year change in per diem is based on 2% inflation. It basically stays the same. BFD. Lots to be concerned about but not per diem.

Bottom line: I like the $50,000 a year improvement and, while it's a tough call, I think this TA might be worth it.

Mark Marchione

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1902617)

Even after the profit sharing trade we will make 3.5% more than American with the pay raise and 18.5% more with profit sharing based on a $6 billion PTIX.

About $35,000 - $50,000 more a year.depending on seat and aircraft.

Originally Posted by 4fans (Post 1902656)

What is your take on the JV change? Haven't seen you touch on that.
I start i doc on Monday but following this very closely to prepare me for the next 30 years.

4fans

Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 1902658)

I notice everyone factors in profit sharing when comparing ourselves to AA but no one factors in that they still have a retirement (which is the reason we have profit sharing)

Originally Posted by Flying Elvis (Post 1902663)

Let's be honest with the raise. It's 8,-2.25,4,3 compared with the current contract, which already has a 3% raise scheduled for Jan, but not the 1% DC increase in 2017. Is it a good raise? That's up to the individual, but before you go comparing our pay and PS to AA, ask about the value of pensions vs 401k. I'm personally a fan of the latter vs former, but if you run the numbers, you've got to make a 401k pretty huge to have similar value to most DB plans.

The LCA change, as I've previously illustrated, is a huge concession which will impact the QOL and pay of all but the most senior FOs and Capts. It will never be recovered.

JV is being spun as a good deal. Far from it. I just left an airline that was rapidly converting itself into a ticket selling operation for other airlines. That's one of the reasons I left.

Sick call doesn't bug me much, and the banking function is a good deal for a currently healthy guy like me to save time up for a rainy day.

This needs to go back.

Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1902660)

I am a no vote, but their retirement was frozen. Only the senior pilots made out. I just spoke to an AAL crew in GRU and they were happy about what we got. I complained about us getting 15 days of sick leave and asked about theirs, they get 14. I am still voting NO.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1902646)

Check my schedule if you want to find out if I'm collecting FPL.

Is accusing someone of being on FPL your best line of attack when someone thinks this TA might be okay to vote yes on. FYI: I'm still undecided. Leaning yes now.

Look, the concessions suck. I do not like the sick leave change or the LCA change. But we still get 14 days of sick leave no questions asked. And 270 a year for whatever you want with a note. Shouldn't affect anyone. If you need surgery get a note and get it done. If you're sick you're covered for 270. Sick leave has some improvements too.

LCA OE PBS pulls - an argument could be made that this is a big deal for FO's. They will have to judge that against the pay raise, etc. I'm not going to preach for this change. I don't like it.

The 5 cent a year change in per diem is based on 2% inflation. It basically stays the same. BFD. Lots to be concerned about but not per diem.

Bottom line: I like the $50,000 a year improvement and, while it's a tough call, I think this TA might be worth it.

Mark Marchione

Originally Posted by Flying Elvis (Post 1902663)

Let's be honest with the raise. It's 8,-2.25,4,3 compared with the current contract, which already has a 3% raise scheduled for Jan, but not the 1% DC increase in 2017. Is it a good raise? That's up to the individual, but before you go comparing our pay and PS to AA, ask about the value of pensions vs 401k. I'm personally a fan of the latter vs former, but if you run the numbers, you've got to make a 401k pretty huge to have similar value to most DB plans.

The LCA change, as I've previously illustrated, is a huge concession which will impact the QOL and pay of all but the most senior FOs and Capts. It will never be recovered.

JV is being spun as a good deal. Far from it. I just left an airline that was rapidly converting itself into a ticket selling operation for other airlines. That's one of the reasons I left.

Sick call doesn't bug me much, and the banking function is a good deal for a currently healthy guy like me to save time up for a rainy day.

This needs to go back.