Imagine 2018 with punitive measures
07-03-2015, 03:05 PM
#11
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Heres 30 million dollars to make the jv grievance go away. Now give us new scope language so we dont have to pay the fine again.
Ok see how ridiculous that sounds? Negotiations doesnt work that way. They dont threaten us when we own the language. They likely tricked our outmatched NC rather than strongarmed them for it.
Ok see how ridiculous that sounds? Negotiations doesnt work that way. They dont threaten us when we own the language. They likely tricked our outmatched NC rather than strongarmed them for it.
07-03-2015, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Our average aircraft size is going up.
07-03-2015, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
So says you. Where do you get this nonsense?
Did your handlers in the fourth floor spin that yarn?
Did your handlers in the fourth floor spin that yarn?
07-03-2015, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I think that depends on the time frame you are looking at. The 330/350s are replacing the 747s and 767s. The 737-900s/321s are replacing the 757s. I still think if you look at overall group career earnings you'll get the picture. Career. earnings. Greenslips, do. not. count.
07-03-2015, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Generally we have not flown 747's to Europe. There are two this summer.
07-03-2015, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The above post seems to be your only answer to any post you don't agree with. I offered to place a large bet with you on the issue and you slunk away. Afraid to put your money where your mouth is?
07-03-2015, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Not sure what that has to do with the price of Bristol Meyers, but I am thinking that the overall gauge of the airline is NOT increasing as you allege, but rather shrinking. We are becoming a 737/330 airline. The 757/767 after the merger was 35% of the fleet. I haven't run the numbers lately, because I am tired of fighting those that believe we should reward a chosen few for productivity, but I'll betcha the average gauge is leaning closer to the 737 than the 330.
07-03-2015, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I was discussing the JV over the Atlantic and compliance.
07-03-2015, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I think I agree that the block hour protection is better if AF/KLM downsize. If they were to do so I then have to wonder why we would downsize to 'mirror' them. The only reason that I can justify in my mind is that we are the more expensive labor force, and when the bean counters factor in all that and it's effect on JV revenue sharing it is necessary to cut our flying. It really is the Catch 22 of being higher compensated than our JV partners. My problem is that we seem to have no protection if it goes the other way. They upgauge, get bigger and we keep plodding along with our medium gauge airframes; we throttle back, and they don't. It IS the reason why the company has been out of compliance for the last 4 years after all.
07-03-2015, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The company has been out of compliance the last 4 years because of the inclusion of Alitalia. In exchange for that the company promised to grow our flying. That growth did not happen with the wars, revolutions and economic meltdown.
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