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Old 07-04-2015 | 08:00 AM
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This ta is worse than c2012. If we say no we are better off. If the next TA is worse,we are still better off with c2012. Why should we be in a hurry and give up basic work rules to go down to the UAL rules that they hate?
So then since C12 was a POS, and this is worse than C12, maybe we should have offered to go back to the BK contract?
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Old 07-04-2015 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SawF16
Not taking a position on the TA one way or another, but just to clarify here-

You were adamantly against C2012 when it was a TA up for a vote. So JCBA>C2012>TA2015.

Would you still say you prefer the JCBA to C2012 after how C2012 has turned out pretty much exactly as the "sell job" advertised?

*minus hiring being later than most expected
Hiring wasn't later than i expected, just the people who bought the hype. The interesting part of 2012 was the subsequent investor calls that explained that the reduced ps, larger Rj's and productivity paid for it.

I did not like c2012 at all for many reasons, voted no and would vote no again if I could get a Delorium ride back to June 2012.

And it's still better than ta2015, no thanks in part to the path paved by C2012. Which makes me wonder how bad 2018 would be.

That said, I sat down to figure out what the total w2 increase in pay was for me vs running on pwa2008 for these past few years and it was about 4.5% per year increase. I'd rather had not had set on a path of giving up scope and productivity just to give some people base hit pay raises.
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Old 07-04-2015 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
So then since C12 was a POS, and this is worse than C12, maybe we should have offered to go back to the BK contract?
Screw that. Go back even further. We could do C2K and save the company some money. Given that ta 2015 is the richest contract ever.
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Old 07-04-2015 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Screw that. Go back even further. We could do C2K and save the company some money. Given that ta 2015 is the richest contract ever.
Pretty sure the BK contract was worse than C2K, but by many accounts, better than C12. And since C2K is apparently the gold standard , it shouldn't be in consideration. BK>C12>C15. The critical path is clear. I read it here and on the old dALPA forum for years.

I'll bet Mr Anderson would take that deal in a heartbeat.
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Old 07-04-2015 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Pretty sure the BK contract was worse than C2K, but by many accounts, better than C12. And since C2K is apparently the gold standard , it shouldn't be in consideration. BK>C12>C15. The critical path is clear. I read it here and on the old dALPA forum for years.

I'll bet Mr Anderson would take that deal in a heartbeat.
Who said BK > c12? We weren't using the BK contract before c12 was voted in.
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Old 07-04-2015 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Who said BK > c12? We weren't using the BK contract before c12 was voted in.
I am just following the logical pattern. C12 was a POS, right? Whatever we had before was better, right? Let's just dust that one off.
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Old 07-04-2015 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I am just following the logical pattern. C12 was a POS, right? Whatever we had before was better, right? Let's just dust that one off.

I'd personally stop at 2008.

But what's right in front of us right now isn't a hypothetical. C2012 vs C2015, I'll take 2012.
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Old 07-04-2015 | 09:23 AM
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I googled "gif PEB" and this was on the first page. I'm not kidding.

I am not endorsing this, but rather merely presenting it for your consideration.

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Old 07-04-2015 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I'd personally stop at 2008.

But what's right in front of us right now isn't a hypothetical. C2012 vs C2015, I'll take 2012.
Easily. C12 is better than TA15.
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