Originally Posted by sailingfun

One of the dumber questions asked on the forum.

Originally Posted by Bananie

this is the same thing you said in 2012, or about 1700 new hires ago. At some point you have to give this up, you lost that argument.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

He didn't lose that argument, he is spot on.

BTW, 1700 new hires ago? You're including retirement replacements in that number which is disingenuous.

Between July 12 and July 15 we had an 894 pilot increase. Actual pilots holding a category increased by 954. Of that, half was in the 717, most growth was in the 73, M88. We combined the ER and 767 domestic category and still managed to cut the total number of pilots. We've cut about 250 WB As and 250 WB Bs, added about 840 NB As and 780 Bs.

On the seniority list you have about 12,888 new hires. At one point they were all new.

Originally Posted by Bananie

You lost that argument. We replaced 757's with 737-900's. What does that have to do with 76 seat jets? So we didn't lose 500 WB jobs as you falsely claim, but one narrow body was replaced by another, neither of which would ever compete with a 76 seat ever, anywhere, at any time. You use total pilots but we were overstaffed in 2012 and you fail to mention that pilots required by the contract, based on block hours has jumped by 1,700+ from june 2012 to june 2015. Domestic block hours as reported by Crew Resources are up 29% from 2013 to 2015. You lost that argument.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Seriously, DOES THIS TA MOVE THE BAR HIGHER?

That's what he's asking.

If you think it does, please explain how so?

Originally Posted by texavia

NO - what was DUMB was rube talking about locking in rates, when everyone knows they sure as hell ain't.

There you have it folks, sailingfun says rates haven't been cut at DAL.

Originally Posted by Bananie

Of course it does. Industry leading pay, industry leading profit sharing, industry leading work rules, industry leading benefits. What else is there?

It all depends upon whether you want to talk real facts or just internet hype. The internet hype is "ignore the billion+ in gains and let's just concentrate on the little stuff". Okay, other than the 5 goals the us soccer team scored yesterday, they really didn't do anything big. In fact, if you ignore those goals, they lost 0-2. see how that works, now i get to say that team sucks because I just ignore the good things they did.

The real facts are that our health care is unchanged, if you are sick call in sick, go to a doctor and then deal with the paperwork. The vast majority of pilots will never even feel this new policy. Our scope is better not worse, more mainline flying, less DCI. The AF JV stuff is just invented crap trying to fool you, sounds like you have been fooled. Our work rules change, they always have. C2k had tons of work rule concessions. Look up negotiations in the dictionary, it doesn't include one side getting to make demands while the other shovels money in your face. This is industry leading in every possible way. After C2012, which you guys all mocked, the industry tried and failed to pattern up to us. We are already industry leading. For this united puke to talk about industry leading while still climbing on our backs as we pull him out of their hole is pretty funny. sounds like you have been fooled by him too.

You want to compare this contract to the perfect contract which will occur never. if you compare this to everyone else in the industry, no one is even close. that's raising the bar. how else would you define it?

Originally Posted by Bananie

this is the same thing you said in 2012, or about 1700 new hires ago. At some point you have to give this up, you lost that argument.